Naysayers play a valuable role in society. They can put the brakes on disastrous ideas before they actually get traction and cause a mess.Originally Posted by Spike
In that sense, simply stating that an idea is foolish may not be the best presentation of that role, but it also isn't useless.
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Motorsports was mainstream when I was growing up. It was a staple on ABC's Wide World of Sports. Kids knew who AJ Foyt, Mario Andretti and Phil Hill were. And it was because they were on TV alot. If not racing, being spokesman for a wide range of products.Paragraphs & the space bar are your friend Ernesto
I'll be more than happy to explain to you anything you feel that you don't understand in my post.
My local McDonalds sells a helluva lot more hamburgers than the quality steakhouses/restaurants in the same general area. Even the McNasty's clown wouldn't claim that the Golden Arches have the best 'burgers in the area. I'm not the only one telling you that your concept is seriously flawed. Apples & oranges... hell more like apples & watermelons!!!
You have said its flawed but have never given one reason why. Feel free to explain what you think is flawed about it.
IIRC, Justin Wilson battled for the lead @LBGP. Nice to know you consider battling for P1 "mid-pack".
Actually Justin ran away and hid the first third of the race. But like alot of street races, he didn't catch the yellows at the right time. Did you see the race?
No, trolls toss out complete nonsense & argue the most bizarre details. You throw opinions out as fact & almost NEVER concede anything... you IMO, are always arguing with yourself.
If my idea is such nonsense, why at bull rings all across the country do they routinely invert fields where the slow cars start up front and the fastest start at the rear? But my idea isn't that radical compared to that. All I have suggested is that all drivers start from about the same starting position as everyone else over the course of the season. Isn't that what a racing series is supposed to be about? Find out who the best driver is?
ESPN will have a 3 hour NFL Schedule show tonightI would rather encourage my dog to have the trots on a white carpet than listen to more than 20 minutes of a 3 hour schedule show!!!
ESPN used to cover IndyCar. Until they realized three times as many people would watch a NFL draft show that an IndyCar race.
The same NFL slappies will ignore their family to watch the NFL draft. Back in my youthful days the HS band geeks, along with the D&D nerds were just hammered by the "cool" kids that mocked their hobby. IMO, fantasy baseball guys, "fans" watching the NFL draft & the numerous 360 day coverage of football shows are 100 times WORSE than those previously mentioned geeks & nerds. Motorsport has never been a "mainstream" sport in the USA & your gimmicks would only alienate the existing, loyal base that does exist or is being cultivated.
Motorsports was on Wide World of Sports like what? Maybe four or five times per year at the most?
And seriously, do you really think this idea of yours would be even for a half of a second considered by any series in the world? I know you think it is just an insult when peole do not like your idea but this idea is not even worthy of discussion. Let alone a thread as long as this one.
It wasn't just Wide World of Sports. I gave that as one example. All three major networks covered motor sports. And I am still waiting for one example why people don't like my idea except that it came from me. No one , including you, can come up with one rebuttal why its not a good idea. All full time drivers starting in every different position on the grid for a racing season is an exciting approach to help deciding just who is the best driver in the IndyCar series. We already know who the best teams are. That hasn't changed in over a decade. Auto racing places too much emphasis on one lap of qualifying versus a ninety lap street race. No one has refuted this argument. We accept the status quo because nobody ever asks anymore "why are we doing it this way?" It has never made any sense for one driver to be one second faster than someone else then have a ten second advantage at the start on a road course. This does away with that inequity. And where are the bigger crowds at on the weekend? Race day or qualifications? And did you ever stop to realize that threads I start are long because they generate thought and discussion? It just seems to be jealousy from a lot of posters on here that I generate so much discussion with my thoughts and ideas. Ernest
Seems like for the majority, that's enough.
It's complicated, contrived and completely unnecessary. There's three good reasons right there.No one , including you, can come up with one rebuttal why its not a good idea.
Starting outside of the top 10 has just killed Will Power in the last two races, hasn't it?Auto racing places too much emphasis on one lap of qualifying versus a ninety lap street race. No one has refuted this argument.
Seems like the majority are just enjoying shoting down a complicated, contrived and completely unnecessary idea.And did you ever stop to realize that threads I start are long because they generate thought and discussion?
Yeah. That must be it.It just seems to be jealousy from a lot of posters on here that I generate so much discussion with my thoughts and ideas.
Doc, Doc, Doc!Ernest
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Does anybody else feel like we're being punked by some i-banker from NYC who likes putting on a folksy persona online to get a rise out of forums? I'm not kidding. It feels that way.
You're just jealous that Roger Penske doesn't read all your posts.Does anybody else feel like we're being punked by some i-banker from NYC who likes putting on a folksy persona online to get a rise out of forums? I'm not kidding. It feels that way.
I admit it. It's a struggle just to get out of bed some mornings, knowing I'll never be that cool.
If you were really cool you'de have your own forum.I admit it. It's a struggle just to get out of bed some mornings, knowing I'll never be that cool.
Oh, wait.
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1.) It's nonsensical and therefore unworthy of serious consideration. A sack race or arm wrestling for the pole would garner more attention than your idea.
How do you really feel?
Spew!
Doc.
Dac.
Its more of an idea to put the drivers on a level playing field than to garner attention, although as the racing season progressed it would draw interest from the fans as drivers and teams made deals to move up in the starting grid. And you join the list of others who trash the idea but offer no reason why, which is the weakest argument there is to something you don't like. Try this on for size. Tell me why you don't think its fair for all the drivers involved? Ernest
You seriously think tape delayed highlights of races (at times months old...) on ABC Wide World of Sports is mainstream???Really???
Most of the 70's USAC races were not on TV... a huge reason CART was launched. The Indy 500 was finally broadcast live in what 1984... 5 years AFTER the Daytona 500 was live on CBS.
Before ESPN I had to watch F1 tape delayed coverage on Canadian TV after the local Windsor, Ontario news + CBC nightly news on Sunday nights.
Mainstream sports had LIVE television coverage... that covered the NFL. MLB, NBA, & NHL.
As for my comments on your silly game-changing concepts... the other TF members have stated how short sided & unrealistic your vision for the ICS is. I agree with what Spike & others have said + FTH's entertaining views
Does anybody else feel like we're being punked by some i-banker from NYC who likes putting on a folksy persona online to get a rise out of forums? I'm not kidding. It feels that way.
Amen!!!It's nonsensical and therefore unworthy of serious consideration.
The suits in charge were actually headed in the right direction when they tried their blind draw to set the grid in Texas last year. Where their plan failed was that it was extremely unfair to drivers who drew mid pack and lower numbers. There was nothing fair about a one race draw. Some drivers gained an advantage for just being lucky. My model takes out the element of luck. My plan is fair because its the same for everyone. Most of you are stuck on the ancient idea that qualifying should mean as much as the race does when that isn't the case and never has been the case at all. I thought the dark ages ended a long time ago but you would never know that from the posters who are unable to let go of the past and who want to do things the way they were done a hundred years ago. No other major league sports handicap teams the way auto racing does and it needs to change. Ernest
Texas 2011 was a sad joke to BOTH the majority of drivers & the fans
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I gave a reason...
Hmmm...well, a sack race or arm wrestling wouldn't be fair, so I have to propose something else. Paper, scissors, rock?
Arrowz, I think you're a big fan of IndyCar. But when the sport is dying you need to try new things to get the people back. Why don't you try coming up with something. ErnestYou seriously think tape delayed highlights of races (at times months old...) on ABC Wide World of Sports is mainstream???
The Indy 500 did not allow its race to be shown on live television. That wasn't the networks fault.
Most of the 70's USAC races were not on TV... a huge reason CART was launched. The Indy 500 was finally broadcast live in what 1984... 5 years AFTER the Daytona 500 was live on CBS.
How can you show something live when the Speedway doesn't allow it? You had to pay at a closed circuit movie theater to watch the Indy 500 when I was growing up. You really should bone up on the history of the Indy 500.
Before ESPN I had to watch F1 tape delayed coverage on Canadian TV after the local Windsor, Ontario news + CBC nightly news on Sunday nights.
Mainstream sports had LIVE television coverage... that covered the NFL. MLB, NBA, & NHL.
There used to be something called independant sports networks who would sell their programming to local stations. In the 70's we used to get races that featured Jackie Stewart in the Can-Am series. I know you don't believe me but that actually was the case.
As for my comments on your silly game-changing concepts... the other TF members have stated how short sided & unrealistic your vision for the ICS is. I agree with what Spike & others have said + FTH's entertaining views
After exchanging some messages with DIA in an effort not to get suspended again, I decided it was best to use the ignore feature here at TF. Whether those views were entertaining or not I don't know and have no wish to know. I do know this. No one has stepped up to the plate and offered a rebuttal on how my way is unfair to any of the drivers. On the Jim Rome show, Jim says saying something "sucks" isn't a take. He's right. It just means that said person has no argument to prove his or hers point.
Amen!!!
Wait! I've got it...an essay contest.
Like I said, you have no reason. Ernest
Your idea is complicated, contrived and completely unnecessary. There's three really awesome reasons for you.
DocErnest
No one is paying me to do this... however IMS is paying a hard working & talented guy named Randy Bernard to be their "Idea Man"
As for "not knowing my history"
DIA seems to know your limitations suggesting the ignore button?
Careful. Well thought out posts like that could land you on someone's ignore list.
Actually, baseball does. A financial system that made sense for a 19th century pastoral game is, as George Will put it, utterly unsuited to the modern world, and the competitive sports marketplace that comes with it.
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