My Indy 500 friends either agree with my point of view or attend the race mainly for the party..
If you do not like my opinions or opinions like mine the Series Direction forum is not for you..
Clauson, Newgarden, Hildebrand, Carpenter, Andretti, Rahal, Rice, and Hunter-Reay interest me..
I hope the Indy 500 returns to the popularity/respect level is rightly deserves..
BTW: I am bringing 4 people with me this year, 2 are rookies.. I am doing my part..
and it was way cool to see some driver/team throw together a last ditch effort at indy and through some big azzzed nads and a bit of luck put a car in the field at the last moment possible.. the crowds for "bump day" were almost equal to the crowds for pole day and that is a fact i know too from personal experience..
i take offense at you saying that i am throwing a tantrum over anything.. i am simply stating an opinion that i believe to be shared by many; however, even if it is not, by no means should it be declared a tantrum.. you want to see me throw a tantrum? do ya? r e a l l y?
Last edited by R22; 04-20-2012 at 01:03 AM.
returning to the days of ignorant bliss..
"I think of Indianapolis every day of the year, every
hour of the day, and when I sleep, too. Everything I
ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of
the Indianapolis Motor Speedway."
- Eddie Sachs.
Last edited by lotuspoweredbyford; 04-20-2012 at 01:31 AM.
The LOTUS teams are in terrible shape. Even if they can keep their engines together, they are going to be way off on speed. Plus, nobody should have any faith in Legge or Alesi on a oval. There may only be 10 LOTUS engines total for the entire month. And we all know a few of those are going to blow up, being stressed as they are at IMS.
You have a Michel Jourdain, who hasn't been in a Indy Car in years (or a car of any kind in years) and hasn't been to Indy since 1996. You have Bryan Clauson, trying to make his first Indy Car start, with a team who has had some trouble running more then 1 car before. You have Wade Cunningham, trying to make his first Indy start, with a 2nd Foyt car that traditionally (in recent years) has been shaky at best.
When you only have 34 cars, you pretty much have to have everything go perfectly. The smaller teams (who may not have a backup car for their extra cars) have to stay clean. All the LOTUS teams have to somehow stay clean and keep their engines running. There is really no wiggle room. They got away with it in 2003 and 2004. Mainly because the couple cars added at the last minute had very little practice time and had veteran drivers who were smart enough to just put 4 conservative laps together and not screw it up. The bottom 1/4th of the field this year is likely to be filled with very young and very oval inexperienced drivers. With new cars and new engines, and no oval races before Indy to try anything.
If I am (almost said Tony George for a second) Randy or whoever has some influence on this sport, I'd be twisting some arms to try and get one more Chevy and one more Honda shaken loose. Because I have said before, this sport cannot and will not survive the negative PR they will garner if they start less then 33 cars this year. It would be a fatal blow to a sport already gasping for air.
Prime Minister of Gackland
Not when its a known fact that there are drivers with the money to run Indy this year, who can't. Not when its a known fact that there are car owners who would like to run a car at Indy this year, who can't (even if they have the money to do so).
Not when there are ZERO one-off race teams being allowed to compete at Indy this year. ZERO. I'd guess that hasn't happened at Indy in the last 50 years (Dave will have the stats, I am sure).
I can remember months ago, that there was real talk about 30+ cars running the full-season. Of course, that was back when LOTUS was expected to adhere to the contract they signed. And back when Newman-Haas was still in business. And Shank was going to run. And Conquest was going to run. And HVM was going to run 2 cars. And Foyt was even going to run 2 cars. And some new teams were trying to form, for at least a Indy run, because of the new equipment and getting in on the ground floor with everyone else.
But alas...the engine folks decided to do it their own way. Which means we'll do just enough to scrape by and fill the field at Indy. But not any more then we need to because we don't want to screw our full-time entries, a few of which we are basically supporting (Sato and Pagenaud come to mind).
Why will it change next year? As long as the engine manufacturers can dictate, then we are the mercy of whatever they want. And they don't want 40 cars at Indy. If they did, we'd have 40 cars this year. There are enough engines and enough chassis to do it.
If they want 33 cars at Indy, then that's what we will have. If they want 37 cars, that's what we will have. No matter if there are 50 fully-funded car/driver combos who want in or not.
You guys are pretty entertaining, ya know that right?
"You just don't know what Indy Means" Al Unser Jr.
actually, iics should cap it at 3 manufactures and create more demand for the maufacturers to want to get in.
othere than msr, what team has said they want to run indy? msr from my memory is not running due to funding, not engine supply. what driver is REALLY fully funded to run? what one offs are prepared to take 7 days of practice to build a car and make a run? i not asking who we want, because i can make a long list for that, but who is really prepared to step up and do this if engine supply was more open from the manufacturers?
The Ayn Rand of Indycar
No one had to badge the Offy.
My son and I will be there. I have been following things since 1978, so I'm aware of what's going on in the background, but it's his second year. He doesn't care about the politics. It's Indy.
That's the bottom line. And you either get it or you don't.
Its most likely 1 year maybe 2. We had great bump days the last couple of years because we had a ton of equipment laying around. See Cavin's explanation in his Q & A today
Answer: No, you’re not going to see teams rolling out extra cars during the month for a number of reasons: The engine contracts that must be in place in advance, the shortness of the month, and the size of most of the teams to begin with. Remember that KV, for example, is already three cars. That’s a nice size, and I think the team has two legitimate chances to be in the top five with Kanaan and Barrichello. I think we have to remember that it’s pretty remarkable that the 500’s entry list is as strong as it is given all the equipment changes. Teams made huge investments for 2012, and I think we’ll see larger fields as we move to 2013 and 2014. Most of the Chevrolet and Honda teams are as large as they can be — Panther is one that could have another car but it has chosen not to. Fact is, the extra cars you’d like to see would come from Lotus teams. Dreyer & Reinbold has often had three or four cars; this year it has one due to the Lotus situation. As I often remind people, don’t judge this 500 on the back half of the field; keep your eye on the front. I think we’re in for another exciting month.
And this is a tantrum thread. Granted this forum is for these type of threads but that what this thread is.
I'd rather have 10% of the world interested in the ICS than 50% of US that NASCAR currently has
Conquest isn't running the #25 car. Andretti is.
Newman-Haas doesn't really count either, since some of their personnel have been with Dragon to get them going. At best, I'll give you a 1/2 for that one.
No one-off teams running their own entries. Zero.
We still have only had about 36 or 37 cars during those so-called "great years" in 2010 and 2011. Which is probably the max will ever see, as long as the engine manufacturers (and also Will Phillips and gang) are calling the shots.
But they aren't the right "one-offs" for this part of the board.
The only acceptable one-offs here would be Joe's Racing who builds engines in his garage and who's driver is the new hot star performing in front of 4,000 at Gas City because he has a massive built in fan base.
Also don't believe the sport is gasping for air. Its in a deep rut as a niche sports that shines brightly once a year unless something major happens (Wheldon's crash) Time and the correct business decisions will decide whether it moves on from there or stays where its at.