I love it! Wilson's cat like reflexes suited him well in Brazil today. I think Justin is clearly the best road racer in the series today and his performances are backing my contention up. With Ganassi's one-two punch of Dario and Scott also in the mix, we might actually get another good race like Long Beach. Ernest
I don't know you well enough to know if this is satire or not.Originally Posted by Ernest Miller
But Will Power disagrees with the "clearly the best road racer part".
"I think of Indianapolis every day of the year, every
hour of the day, and when I sleep, too. Everything I
ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of
the Indianapolis Motor Speedway."
- Eddie Sachs.
When Justin won at Watkins Glen a couple of years ago, that cemented in my mind he was by far the best with the least equipment. I believe he would dominate the road courses if he drove for either Roger or Chip. Will is good but not better than Justin. Ernest P.S. I don't joke around when it comes to talking about Justin Wilson and Scott Dixon.I don't know you well enough to know if this is satire or not.
But Will Power disagrees with the "clearly the best road racer part".
I think that both JW and Bourdais are the best in the series.
I think you can make a strong argument with Bourdais as well. Ernest
I think Marty Roth would've been the best if he had better equipment with a top team.
And, I really like JW a lot, btw.
Will Power is clearly a step ahead and "in a groove" at the moment, IMHO.
KEEP POUNDIN' THE ROCK
Your Marty Roth comment is out of line. Since we haven't seen Will in a Dale Coyne car or Justin in a Penske, we may never know who is better. But my gut tells me Justin is. ErnestI think Marty Roth would've been the best if he had better equipment with a top team.
And, I really like JW a lot, btw.
Will Power is clearly a step ahead and "in a groove" at the moment, IMHO.
Well, Power has the best ride and the wins right now, so you have to say he's the best road racer right now.
On the other hand, those of us who have watched them all race throughout their careers know that Bourdais and Wilson are every bit as gifted and good at road racing as Power.
IMO, Bourdais is a little better road racer than Power (its close, any could beat the other on any given day) and I think Justin is right there with them neck & neck and it would be a helluva battle in equal equipment. All around driver, Bourdais without question is the best.
JW & SeaBass (now) have had a much rougher go in the racing world than Power, who some could argue would not be where he is had Helio paid his taxes. He drove for Walker & KV before Penske (Good teams). JW was on RuSport (solid team), Newman Haas, which he won with in Indycar merger year. Then Coyne, D&R and Coyne again, its really really tough in that equipment. Bourdais in Indycar with Dragon & Coyne. Its unthinkable what he did at Barber with that Lotus. Power has been much more priviledged in AOW than many others, I would like to see him have to deal with a Dragon or Coyne ride. But at this point, we wont ever see that.
On a positive note, I think it should say something about the talent of this series that we can legitimately argue 5 or 6 guys as the best driver (Power, Bourdais, Wilson, Dixon, Dario), most series are pretty clear cut.
My words may not be what you want to hear.....but what you need to hear. TF CHALLENGE: CONVINCE 1 NEW PERSON TO WATCH INDY NEXT SUNDAY
When Ayrton Senna started in Formula 1 (in a series where equipment plays a much bigger role) with substandard equipment and a lesser team with Toleman in 1984, he made several podiums...the next couple of years with Lotus, he racked up several wins. He was pulling off WINS while he was wet behind the ears in substandard equipment. McClaren saw this and went after him because they felt he was "clearly either the best or on par with Alain Prost. I think Chip and Roger are pretty good judges of talent and they haven't been beating down Justin's door, and he's a savvy veteran. I like Justin A LOT, but he's got to win A LOT more in a spec series before I'd call him "clearly the best" just because I LIKE him a lot.
But, THANKS for declaring me "out of line"...does Dean Wormer put me on double secret probation now?
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So are you saying Chip was beating down Graham Rahal & Charlie Kimballs doors over a Justin Wilson or Sebastien Bourdais or Simon Pagenaud?
Are you saying Chip hired the two because he thought they were the best talents?
Im sure by now you what checks do in this series, they put you in seats. Money talks, talent walks. End of discussion
And how/why do you compare what Senna did to Wilson. There is simply no comparison there........Well I take that back, Senna can be compared to Will Power since after 3 years TF is already crowning Power an all time legend. Imagine how many more titles Senna would have won had he had Power's talent.
If we are going to compare all Indy drivers to Ayrton Senna, no one can measure up. Your theory that Chip signed Charlie Kimball because he is better than Justin holds no water with me.
Chip totally hired Kimball for his talent and felt he was the better prospect than Wilson. Had absolutely nothing to do with his mega-millions Novo Nordisk check.
As for Senna, Power can definitely measure up, atleast thats what TF implies since he's already an all time legend.
And then Coyne happens.....
"I think there's only so many people that can take care of themselves, and can take care of other people. And the rest of the people … they're useful in terms of compost for the whole planet, you know." - Bill Murray
The point, which seems simple to me, is that Senna excelled and won a little bit in substandard equipment...hence one could've made the claim he was the CLEARLY the best...it might've been a stretch at that time, (though proven eventually NOT to be a stretch because his other worldly talent), but still a stretch. Justin hasn't set the world on fire in substandard equipment...saying he's "clearly the best" without results make that a dubious claim and quite a stretch, IMHO.
As for money, Cheep didn't take money from Milka Duno and Citgo...he took a couple of young drivers with a satellite team...he didn't supplant Dixie or Dario for "money" from someone else. If Wilson was an other worldly talent, he should be with someone other than Coyne.
Justin is a heck of a driver...one of my favorites and I'd love to see him in Briscoes ride...I'm not of the opinion he's "clearly the best". Power is in a groove at the moment...I would say his RESULTS say he's "clearly the best" at the moment.
You guys both LOVE Justin and clearly Bourdais...please carry on with your bran muffin and hugs fest.
Spoken by someone who has "Helio" in his name. Ernest
Yep...and you'll not find ONE thread where I'll claim Helio is "CLEARLY" the best driver at Indy, even with 3 500's to his credit, or in the series. He's a good driver, has been a top 5 driver at times in the series and is VERY good at Indy. Roger didn't hire him because he was a ride buyer...he hired him because he's good and he needed someone when we tragically lost the GREAT one in Greg Moore. I liked Gordy as well...won't find me saying he was "CLEARLY" better than the other greats who've won more than him.
Just carry on with your bran and muffin hugfest with Helio. Ernest
I like Justin a lot.
But Will Power > Justin
Justin is definitely a talent but he's not Will.
I respect your choice of Will but I think its up for debate. Has anyone mentioned that Justin got ahead of Will on one of those restarts and got one of his five laps back? Of course the Brazilian TV coverage missed it. Ernest
Justin was the only racer to pass Will Power in anger in todays race. This should be duly noted. Ernest
I'm sure Will was doing all he could to keep Justin behind him.
And why wouldn't he unless you think Will could go faster with a slower car in front of him. Justin was the only guy to pass Will on the track yesterday. I hope Coyne Racing can get these gremlins figured out so Justin can show his stuff all race. Ernest
Your stunning rebuttal leaves me winded....you, however, seem to be able to pass enough wind for both of us there, lil guy.
Carry on.
You may also want to note that Will Power was in a complete fuel save stint
Yes Justin passed Will but again Power was saving fuel then. Although a pass is a pass. Dixon also passed him.
Listen I dont care how good you are, you're gonna get passed in this series. Power got overtaken 12 times at St. Petersberg. You get passed in this series. Loads of talent. The key is not to get passed too often and dont get passed at the wrong time (Last handful of laps).
Point me to the information which states Will was conserving fuel at that time. Ernest
Power,Wilson and Bourdais are both the best road racers period. Above their cars there is no doubt. Power has the best machinery there is no doubt.
What made me laugh was back in 2005 on this forum various irl loyalists where laughing about the name will power whilst he was in Champ Car, that they hadn't heard of him and that he wouldn't get anywhere. Rather funny now. Followed Will Power for 10 years when I saw him race in Formula Holden and then Aussi F3, the guy was well ahead of the field and car back then. Little did I know in those days I'd be seeing him dominate in my favorite series.
And so we came to Road America where we burned up at the lake, but at the speedway of Nazareth I made no mistake
OT - One of the pitchers for the Indianapolis Indians is named Justin Wilson.
Had me a little confused when I heard he working a no hitter the other day.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be misquoted and used against you.
Why risk getting taken out by a car that's five laps down? Let him go.
"Is that my *** that I smell burning?" ... Helmet Stogie from "Death spasms of the Mabuchi"
Theoretically why? Possibly getting held up by him and getting passed for the lead.
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