IndyCar has sold their soul to the devils.
They're running the show now.
All hail our new lords and masters!
IndyCar has sold their soul to the devils.
They're running the show now.
All hail our new lords and masters!
Ain't engine competition grand?
So honoring commitments makes one a lord?Originally Posted by crispy
Stupid.
I'm sure you were referring to the post and not the poster.
"The series may be hesitant to say it, but the day is here for everybody that loves IndyCar racing to link arms and help each other out. Anybody who doesn’t want to do that needs to find something else to do with their time.”
-- Eddie Gossage, President, Texas Motor Speedway, ICONIC Advisory Committee & TrackForum member
Of course. I got this whole forum thing down.
You guys don't want to hear "I told you so..."
But... I told you so...
Same here.. We have seen this before.. Also I loved the talk before the year about how the new engines and cars will help the popularity of the series.. lol
Well , to be fair.
When I was on the Denny Smith show the first time, there were SEVERAL callers who said they would be much more interested again if the cars didn't all look the same , and if not everyone had a Honda.
I am sure that due to the 1950's era way that Nielsen does their ratings that those people aren't factored in.
"I think of Indianapolis every day of the year, every
hour of the day, and when I sleep, too. Everything I
ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of
the Indianapolis Motor Speedway."
- Eddie Sachs.
I'm for Aero Kits... provided anyone can buy any one they want... which won't be the case.
And we can hand out stickers for the engine make...
Being around Indy Car since the 70's this whole engine mess smells just like the new Chevrolet engine fiasco of the 80's. If you had a Chevy you had a chance. If you had Cosworth, Judd, Buick, Alfa you road around the Speedway and watched the the Chevy's pass you. Was it 1989 that AJ finished 5th in a Cosworth 5 laps down??
What do they say "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Unless your Penske...
TD
What do you think would have been a better choice, Chris? Try to be realistic
Do you think nobody is more interested with Chevy returning?
What are the advantages that would be lost without Honda and Chevy being in place?
"Each day well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well therefore to this one day for it, and it alone, is life"
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I think what really made the Chevy situation bad then was the Chevy A vs B, not necessarily supplying teams they didn't want to.
It's a Hoosier thing, you wouldn't understand...
Chris may have a different answer, but here is mine.... http://www.trackforum.com/forums/sho...IndyCar-engineWhat do you think would have been a better choice, Chris? Try to be realistic
91 -- Buddy Lazier -- Delta Faucet Hemelgarn Racing -- Reynard/Ford
Some of the most popular years at Indy were the 50's...guess what, the cars all looked the same...most were powered by the 4 cylinder offy...Well , to be fair.
When I was on the Denny Smith show the first time, there were SEVERAL callers who said they would be much more interested again if the cars didn't all look the same , and if not everyone had a Honda.
I am sure that due to the 1950's era way that Nielsen does their ratings that those people aren't factored in.
Yeah.
I know a little bit about racing history, but I do appreciate the help.
And yes, the world was a bit different in the 1950's than it is now, but thankfully we have those who want IndyCar to return to that era to remind us of it.
Hmm. Since no Indy 500s have been run with the new generation of engines, the sample size is a bit small to make anything but, at best, mildly informed speculation. While Chevy has won 4 of 4, we are only 1/4 of the way into the first season with the new generation of engines...Honda's now competitive, but their front runners seem to have a run of bad luck. I wouldn't exactly say Hondas have no chance at winning races this year. Yes Lotus is way back, but somebody's always going to occupy the last spot.
Many other sports have had dynasties also. Pity the poor Cubs fan...
new sig pending
Thanks.
"You just don't know what Indy Means" Al Unser Jr.
No problem.
I bought a USAC hat to wear to see Clauson tonight just for you !!!
What are the odds we never see any "aero kits"?
At least any kits, that a team other then Penske can buy?
Prime Minister of Gackland
Speaking of forgetting the past, you should read the "more split-type engine deal complaints" thread for a little history on the Chevys.
Yes, that wasn't very fun to watch either.
At least teams could actually get a Cosworth or Buick to try and compete at Indy with though. I don't remember Dave Mann and Gary Bettenhausen have to turn to twitter to try and beg for an engine. Or Kenny Bernstein being denied participation because there were "X" amount of engines already doled out.
Pretty big difference there, I think.
I'm certainly skeptical. I fully expect there to be an aero kit from each manufacturer (except Lotus) and nothing more.
I also fully expect the aero kit execution to be totally underwhelming.
Wasn't the whole point of the IRL and now ICS to be better than they way things were in the past?
And to speak to the above, in the 70s you had exclusive Foyt and DGS engines that were much better than the standard Offy. In '76 the Drake Offy was introduced and it had about 50 more hp over the standard Offy. Teams with the money could get a Drake. Small teams that didn't have the money to afford one couldn't. And among teams with the Drake some were better than others depending how much money you had to get it built.
That was the free market at work and no one was complaining. What happned during the CART era was the free market as well and all some people can do is complain.
The Ayn Rand of Indycar
No one had to badge the Offy.
I started watching again. I'm happy there's more than one engine and chassis maker this season.
What do you think would have been a better choice, Chris? Try to be realistic
Do you think nobody is more interested with Chevy returning?
What would be lost without Honda and Chevy being in place?Looks like Chris had no answer. Just expressions of glee with the failure of the series:
Yep, funny!
Do you happen to have any suggestions for how this and other issues that plague the series should be addressed?
Yep.
Increase the supply side (popularity) the old fashioned way - earn it: http://www.trackforum.com/forums/sho...duct-Promotion
So there is no way the lack of popularity has to do with the types of cars in Indycar, types of tracks (or side streets) raced on, and nationality of drivers Indycar has?
Did you read what I posted in the link??
Kevin, now you are being a hater/basher and a xenophobe
Or what he said was false. Did YOU read what I wrote in the linked thread?Kevin, now you are being a hater/basher and a xenophobe
In other posts I describe my preferences for talent, venues, and specs, and how I think the public can be informed, and how they can be "sold" as well.And here's how I ranked them - in other words, I would allocate every dollar according to this scale, ideally:
Product (82.5% total)
drivers: talent 30
personality 3
teams 2
cars 10
tracks 7.5
action 20
rules
composite (all the above)
fan experience
access 5
buzz 5
Promotion (17.5% total)
Of course, reality probably dictates that RB allocate a lot more just to secure cars and tracks.
And of course, the proven case for being popular is to be a NASCAR-run sedan series. Or to be more what IndyCar was before that model took over like a virus
But that's life
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