Chevy has appealed the appeal ruling in Honda's favor...per Jenna Fryer tweet.
Chevy has won 4 races. Honda zilch.
Is Chevy that worried about Indy?
Chevy has appealed the appeal ruling in Honda's favor...per Jenna Fryer tweet.
Chevy has won 4 races. Honda zilch.
Is Chevy that worried about Indy?
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I guess this isn't going to stop until it reaches the U.S. Supreme Court
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All Penske can complain about is he wasn't told in advance. Get over it.
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This is ridiculous. The turbo is a series spec part, not an manufacturer part. From the very beginning they were going to make the singles and twins as similar as possible. What could they be having issues with?
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Well, maybe Chevy will win the appeal of their appeal, then Honda can appeal the appeal of that appeal.
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True storyWell, maybe Chevy will win the appeal of their appeal, then Honda can appeal the appeal of that appeal.
Well unless Penske goes for a 2002 ruling, then of course it's not appealableWell, maybe Chevy will win the appeal of their appeal, then Honda can appeal the appeal of that appeal.
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I like bnanas because they have apealWell, maybe Chevy will win the appeal of their appeal, then Honda can appeal the appeal of that appeal.
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OK, here's the rub. Chevy (Penske) was not aware of the verbal agreement that they would allow the turbos to be tweaked. Chevy (Penske) looked at the 2 choices: single turbo and twin turbo. They knew the single turbo would spool up slower but would most likely be the best on the super speedways. Here's the kicker. They took a close look at the compressor map on the single turbo and saw that it would run most of it's time in a very inefficient part of the map. So seeing that the single was not well matched to the engine, they chose the twin turbos. Meanwhile Honda got a verbal agreement to tweak the single turbo and the other manufacturers didn't know about this agreement. That last part is speculation on my part, if they knew about it, then too bad, but if they didn't know about it, they have a legitimate gripe.
A professional racing series does not do "verbal agreements".
If, in fact, the questions were raised during the selection process, the question would be answered in written form and given to all parties.
In a professional racing series...
Ain't engine competition grand?
^^^ This
The "agreement" wasn't part of the official recorded notes of the meeting...it was just on some notepads that were kept by participants at the meetings. Also, it was a meeting before Chevy thought about participating in the series, so they weren't present to hear about it. There was no way for Chevy (Roger) to know this was a possibility. So without knowing, they built an engine they felt would be more efficient. However, if they knew the turbo's could be changed, they might have chosen the single turbo instead.
I think there's a legitimate complaint.
glenn, using this argument....remove the 50 or 80# of ballast. lotus/judd built a light engine, maybe seeing the excessive rear weight of the car (maybe not) and weight was added.
And Penske/Chevy would like to force Honda to use that inefficient turbo at least until the midpoint of the year when Honda can petition to be allowed to re-homologate.
We saw the efficiency advantage at Long Beach where Chevy teams were doing two-stop strategies and Honda teams did three. That is a huge advantage that goes a long way towards guaranteeing Chevy wins every race until the turbo change is allowed.
IMO if they are successful arguing that Honda has to re-homologate, when that time rolls around they will be challenging again saying that the HP difference isn't sufficient to allow re-homologation. I can't remember what the percentage difference has to be before re-homologation is allowed, but I would bet that the peak HP numbers aren't all that different between the two engines.
IMO the issue was resolved fairly. If anything Honda got screwed at Long Beach when they were not allowed to make a change that had been agreed upon last year. So Penske/Chevy already managed to game the rules and eliminate a big disadvantage they had due to changing engines en masse at LB.
I guess they'd like to push that gamesmanship as far as they can.
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This was agreed on early on. Honda submitted the discrepancy in 2011, and eventually Borg Warner got them the new turbo. All Penske is pissed about is that he wasn't informed.
where is jenna's reference to penske?
you mean they've "strenuously objected"?
You can't handle the truth.
It's a Hoosier thing, you wouldn't understand...
i thought someone would catch that.
No but Penske/Cindric (B!tch & Moan King/Prince) sure are.
My aggravation with Mr. Penske is growing by the day.
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I knew this was going to happen. When they said possible legal action I knew they weren't going to sit on it. Too much money has been handed to the IICS by Chevrolet/GM and they are not going to rest. The way things are heading, I don't think Chevy will last the five years with the IICS. The IICS better make it right.
Hey, if Jim Voyles says Honda is good to go, that's enough for me. Let's race.
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did he represent helio in his tax case?
I don't believe so. I was referring to his participation on the turbogate appeals panel.
No, but he did represent Bill Simpson in Simpson's lawsuit against NASCAR in the wake of the death of Dale Earnhart. Helio's counsel was Roy Black.
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