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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuff View Post
    Till the Kentucky Derby starts using aerokits on their horses, we will never get rid of the pack racing. I'll stick with Indycar.
    Churchill Downs needs progressive banking to get those times down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fro View Post
    Shows why the 500 needs to be on NBC, and not ABC/ESPN who treats it like garbage.
    NBC could use it. They've been the least-watched network for several years now. I'd rather it be there. They seem to care a tad bit more than ESPN.

    ESPN has advertised MOST of their big events weeks in advance this year. Indy THREE weeks from Sunday and not a mention from what I've seen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikemat5150 View Post
    Is the Kentucky Derby really that watched? I don't think I've ever watched it. Don't like dirt ovals!
    They'd probably make more money if they closed Churchill Downs and just
    had a twisty horse race through the streets of Lexington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ydawg View Post
    They'd probably make more money if they closed Churchill Downs and just
    had a twisty horse race through the streets of Lexington.
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlauman20 View Post
    That's actually a pretty tough question, I love the Indy 500 and wouldn't miss it for the world, but the question of which race is the most exciting, tough . . .

    The Greatest Spectacle in Racing vs The Most Exciting Two Minutes in Sports

    I'll still vote Indy 500, but man the Derby is an exciting 2 minutes.
    Why the Derby is more popular than the 500:

    1) Because the horses are allowed to be from more than one stable.
    2) Because they can choose from more than three feed suppliers.
    3) Because Churchill Downs doesn't slow the horses down under the bogus auspices of safety.
    4) Because a 'little guy' breeder is still allowed to participate without having to use one of Churchill Downs' pre-approved trainers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neshaminy View Post
    In a country full of short attention spanners........no surprise in this one.
    you pretty much summed it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by railroad View Post
    Why the Derby is more popular than the 500:

    1) Because the horses are allowed to be from more than one stable.
    2) Because they can choose from more than three feed suppliers.
    3) Because Churchill Downs doesn't slow the horses down under the bogus auspices of safety.
    4) Because a 'little guy' breeder is still allowed to participate without having to use one of Churchill Downs' pre-approved trainers.
    Last edited by Unzerdog; 05-05-2012 at 08:10 AM.

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    the only way to fix these numbers is if churchhill downs canned the thoroughbred in favor of the donkey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doitagain View Post
    After 34,000 votes you're not going to move that needle
    I don't know what state registered my Canadian vote but I think you can guess which race got it! Who wants to watch a bunch of dusty, smelly old horses anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Wilke View Post
    I'm surprised they didn't have the Charlotte 600 as an option.
    Not an iconic event . . . despite what NASCAR would have you believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron5572 View Post
    you pretty much summed it up
    138 years of short attention spans . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by porscheman View Post
    I don't know what state registered my Canadian vote but I think you can guess which race got it!
    There's a globe icon that counts the intl vote -- which is also pro-Derby.
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    I've spent the day at Churchill Downs and I had more fun watching the "race" between the Belle of Louisville and the Delta Queen. Now that's a "race"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by indyguy91 View Post
    you have to take into account that this poll is done the week of the derby, while the 500 is still 3 weeks away. Plus how many more people bet on the derby than the 500?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Fenders View Post
    I understand what you mean - sincerely.

    .....but your heart and mine don't pay the bills - the ratings do.

    'gonna need a couple million more hearts.
    I'll let folks like you worry about the bidness! I just enjoy the sport!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Butler View Post
    IndyCar fans would give their left nuts (or left ovaries) for ratings like this:

    Kentucky Derby TV ratings

    2010 9.8
    2009 9.8
    2008 8.8
    2007 8.8
    2006 8.4
    2005 9.0
    2004 9.3
    2003 7.6
    2002 8.3
    2001 9.3
    Avg. 8.9
    I won't rant & rave about the flawed TV ratings system in this country, but comparing the Indy 500 to the Kentucky Derby is indeed an apples & oranges comparison. Hell, in this case make it apples & watermelons!!! The TV viewer of the Derby has to invest a minimum of 10 minutes for the event then pre/post race coverage.

    How does the casual TV viewer minimally watch the 4-5 hours of 500 coverage? More time is required to watch, understand or enjoy the Indy 500 than the Derby.
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    If Indy had 15-minute segments of 8+ (at the start or end of the race, perhaps), you might be on to something.

    Even still, I'm pretty sure the Derby rating covers the entire broadcast. This year, that's three full hours on NBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by railroad View Post
    Why the Derby is more popular than the 500:

    1) Because the horses are allowed to be from more than one stable.
    2) Because they can choose from more than three feed suppliers.
    3) Because Churchill Downs doesn't slow the horses down under the bogus auspices of safety.
    4) Because a 'little guy' breeder is still allowed to participate without having to use one of Churchill Downs' pre-approved trainers.
    5) Because they have a standing start.
    6) There are no full-course cautions.
    7) There is no annoying ticker taking up 20% of the screen on the television broadcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyguy91 View Post
    You have to take into account that this poll is done the week of the derby, while the 500 is still 3 weeks away. Plus how many more people bet on the derby than the 500?
    You are right on the money here. If people could bet on the Indy 500 like they do the Kentucky Derby you would see a big increase in viewership. But I can see why the Derby is beating the 500. Only need two minutes to watch entire race versus three hours. Ernest

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdas1996 View Post
    Heh. Us, and then Alaska. Why Alaska?
    Because of Jim Wilkie.

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    The Derby offers more for people that would otherwise never watch a horse race and probably won't again until next year. I'm not a gambler or into big hats so it doesn't do anything for me personally. I'll be at Indy this year and as many as I can after that and could really care less what the rest of the country or world thinks of the race. To me its the most exciting day in all of sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZUL8TR View Post
    Go here: http://espn.go.com/ Then scroll down for poll.

    Which May race do you find more exciting?

    Kentucky Derby 67%
    Indianapolis 500 33%

    Indiana & one other are RED States pulling for the 500. KY Derby has all other states.


    I am not the least bit surprised. The international sport of Kings versus a regional spec car race. The first leg of Triple Crown of racing watched by fans all over the globe. Sorry folks sometimes the truth hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by railroad View Post
    Why the Derby is more popular than the 500:

    1) Because the horses are allowed to be from more than one stable.
    2) Because they can choose from more than three feed suppliers.
    3) Because Churchill Downs doesn't slow the horses down under the bogus auspices of safety.
    4) Because a 'little guy' breeder is still allowed to participate without having to use one of Churchill Downs' pre-approved trainers.
    That comparison is absolutely ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHJIndy View Post
    The Derby is fine but nothing's better than 200mph race cars!
    Maybe 200mph bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by porscheman View Post
    I don't know what state registered my Canadian vote but I think you can guess which race got it! Who wants to watch a bunch of dusty, smelly old horses anyway?

    :izod2

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARROWZ46 View Post
    I won't rant & rave about the flawed TV ratings system in this country, but comparing the Indy 500 to the Kentucky Derby is indeed an apples & oranges comparison. Hell, in this case make it apples & watermelons!!! The TV viewer of the Derby has to invest a minimum of 10 minutes for the event then pre/post race coverage.

    How does the casual TV viewer minimally watch the 4-5 hours of 500 coverage? More time is required to watch, understand or enjoy the Indy 500 than the Derby.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Butler View Post
    If Indy had 15-minute segments of 8+ (at the start or end of the race, perhaps), you might be on to something.

    Even still, I'm pretty sure the Derby rating covers the entire broadcast. This year, that's three full hours on NBC.
    For those playing along at home... The 'official' Kentucky Derby broadcast windows will be broken down as follows for ratings purposes...:

    OPERATIONS SCHEDULE FOR:
    KENTUCKY DERBY SPECIAL PART 1 - SATURDAY MAY 5, 2012
    SHOW STARTS AT 04:00:00 PM/ET AND RUNS FOR 00:30:00


    KENTUCKY DERBY SPECIAL PART 2 - SATURDAY MAY 5, 2012
    SHOW STARTS AT 04:30:00 PM/ET AND RUNS FOR 00:30:00


    KENTUCKY DERBY PRE-RACE - SATURDAY MAY 5, 2012
    SHOW STARTS AT 05:00:00 PM/ET AND RUNS FOR 01:00:00


    138TH KENTUCKY DERBY - SATURDAY MAY 5, 2012
    SHOW STARTS AT 06:00:00 PM/ET AND RUNS FOR 01:00:00

    Now that doesn't include the 50 minutes of 'bonus' coverage they provided due to the Hockey coverage under-run.

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    I'd be happy just to know that there would be a 138th Indy 500.
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    Well, at least the 500 has better celebrities.

    The two I saw mentioned today on NBC were Cindy Lauper and Bill Belichick. WTH?

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    Great race today. Vancouver based jockey took the winner home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Butler View Post
    Well, at least the 500 has better celebrities.

    The two I saw mentioned today on NBC were Cindy Lauper and Bill Belichick. WTH?
    Please stop. If you want to compare the Kentucky Derby's celebrity attendance list you had better put the event closer to the Superbowl than the 500. If you were familiar with the Barnstable sisters you would know that their fundraiser alone attracts more celebrities than the 500 each year.

    The Derby is hitting record crowds, and unlike the 500... Louisville still shuts itself down during the week of the Derby. Schools aren't scheduled to be in session. The Oaks and other events leading up have not lost attendance levels but are actually growing, unlike qualifications and practice during May.

    I know everybody likes to pretend ticket sales and fan interest are still somewhere close to what they were 25 years ago for Indy... despite being nothing near the case. The Derby is not an event who's heyday was in the past. The tradition lives with the derby, not just a few traditional acts like at the 500.


    And since this is now in Biz... answer this:

    Why does Indycar need a 17 televised races to "support" (heavy on the sarcasm) the 500? You certainly don't see that many for Grade 1 thoroughbred racing.

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