Did you just call someone out for reaching back to 2008? I've read your posts where to criticize her you reach back to when she was a teenager.
This comment was to 4wide, the quote didn't copy on my tablet.
Did you just call someone out for reaching back to 2008? I've read your posts where to criticize her you reach back to when she was a teenager.
This comment was to 4wide, the quote didn't copy on my tablet.
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Originally Posted by MoparsRule
Oh sure, long-term Cup projection, five of the six guys at HMS and SHR right now were in the Chase last year, she's probably more along the lines of a David Ragan or Paul Menard, which isn't bad considering both guys have hung around in Cup despite 2 wins between them, no real hope at making the Chase and are still cashing checks for racing, with Menard even at a quality organization in RCR.
Preached safety and warned of death at Daytona this year and then drove like the Grim Reaper for three hours - Robin Miller talking about Tony Stewart
OTOH, SHR (or any other team with openings) could certainly use her funding to go a long way towards propping up an additional car if need be. And certainly a good training ground for team members, etc.
Aloha All,,,
She is either "Clueless",,, Brain Dead,,,, or an Out Right Liar...
I think it's a combination of all three... She is a product
of human nature, and now has got to the point of believing
her own propaganda, that and other's B/S about her, and
her driving ability... Which is weak, but she has courage
galore...
You can B/S the world all you want, but never get to
point of believing that same B/S yourself... She has,,,
She just plow'd into Sammy, on the dog leg, before
the start/finish line... She pulled down on Sammy,
while Elliott was pushing Sammy... It scared Elliot so
bad, he just head'd for the 'infield"... Her left front
was three feet under Sammy's right rear... It pulled
Sammy's wheels clear off the ground... AND,,,
Some How She Miss'd All This,,, ???
She Has Got To Have The Shortest Attention Span in History...
At least that's how I see it, you may see it different,,,
but I don't see how... Not unless you too are either,
blind, clueless, or just plain brain dead... LOL
Or,,, you could just be a fan of her's,,, I understand...
I am becoming a bigger fan each and every day... LOL
I just love her AC/DC personality, she's a dual voltage
chick...
Great for NASCAR... Great for the Sport,,, Great for the "Show"...
Here's Another Master Piece,,, by
NASCAR'S Local Minister of Propaganda,,,
Baghdad Big
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP2GF...&feature=g-upl
Yes,,, Yes,,, Tony,,,
Your Grandfather was a friend of Roger Penske,,,
Your Grandfather did business with Roger Penske,,, but
Your Grandfather never trusted Roger Penske,,,
I think the H2H on Nascar.com about this topic is good.I think both sides make valid points.
Finally, someone noticed. And what does that tell you? Her car is fast - very fast - and should be able to get to the front and run at the front at the big ovals. But that isn't what happens. The driver just isn't up to the capabilities of the car.
I have to agree with 4wide on this one. After 33 races, suggesting the reasons for the often lackluster results are "experience" and "no one likes me" are becoming annoying noise. By this time, the other drivers know who they are dealing with, how they can race her, and just how much of a threat she is for top finishes. I was actually surprised at Talladega that no one latched onto her very fast car, but even Junior didn't want to draft with her. This is a clue.
Some people look at the Danica phenomenon as a glass half full and others as a glass half empty. I have an engineering background and I say the glass is too large. I think she is a good as she will ever get. As other younger drivers come along, she will remain a marketing machine for a while, but eventually, the polish will wear off, and drivers like Cole Whitt, Ryan Blaney, the Dillons, even other females like Johanna Long will take the limelight. Incidentally, Long took a car that was obviously slower that Danica's and drafted her way up ahead of the Princess more than once. She didn't seem to have trouble getting dancing partners and she has run how many Nationwide races? 6
Ok so you*are* saying is valid to compliment a driver's position during the race. I say this because I've mentioned good races of danicas in the past, and was meet with"so what she didn't finish well". Johanna long is an interesting example...do you fault her for not taking care of her engine?
I actually find it an interesting question.who deserves more praise? If you have a driver who does what Jimmie Johnson has done a bunch, and come from midpack at the end to win, is that driver a better racer than someone who runs in the top five all day? I could see either approach being valid as long as the commenter applies the logic consistently
Is Danica the only driver who has to meet certain requirements? I don't recall posters here bumb-rapping drivers in Truck, Nationwide, Cup, like they do Danica.
You do reaize that she is doing just as well as Dale Earnhardt Jr. No wins in a long time for Jr., and no wins in a short time for Danica.
I don't think bringing up NASCAR's other all Hype no go All-Star is helping Danica's case... It's just sad when Bi-Polarism goes undiagnosed.
"Ride The Barrel & Get Pitted... So Pitted."
Hey, as RR always said, she gets alot of chatter " because it's" Danica 'freakin' Patrick!" LOL!! btw: I ain't buying Sam's tire excuse. King's X. No apology necessary. The more DP gets some people in an uproar, or is it outraged?---- whatever the new catch word is today----the better. LMAO!!
"Noone can define the "IT" factor but, by God, she's got it!" quote by fan @ 2005 Indy 500 ----"You are now our new American hero." ROGER PENSKE @ Daytona 500 2013-----"She's magical!"~~~RICK HENDRICK @ Daytona 500 2013
Really? I think you are a (fill in the blank), is virtually the same as calling you a (fill in the blank). Please, let's be more civil. You make some excellent points about Solvera not being able to defend his position, but let's cut out the degrading name calling. Please.
You're not serious, are you?
Dale Jr runs in the top 10 almost every week, in NASCAR's major league series.
Danica runs between 15th and 20th every week, in NASCAR's AAA series.
Plus Jr's racing resume is just a skosh better then Ironhead Patrick's.
Prime Minister of Gackland
Danica was right to retaliate (at the time she bumped Sam, she didn't know about the flat tire,
and assumed Sams's block was intentional).
However, WHEN she retaliated was wrong. Dangerously so. Speeds were still much too
high to bump Sam. Danica should have waited until Sam was further away from the wall
and at slower speeds before she intentionally bumps Sam.
BTW spinning Sam's car in the pit area is also dangerous as that would put
crew members in harms way.
Yea, reminds me of some training we had here at work years ago: The training said to attack the problem, not the person. Sometimes that is just impossible when the problem is the person.
@Solvera: Yeah, I was @ that Fontana race and Buescher intentionally put her into the wall, nose first. His excuse? 'She wasn't giving me enough room when I was on the outside. She made me ride the wall for several laps.' No uproar about that ugly crash. He could have killed her.( Crickets) Buescher tried to take her out again last week.(Crickets) And Richardson got a head of steam up before he rammed her bumper, trying to take her out.(Crickets) Look, we both know that there are people out there who cheer when she gets crashed out.(Not on TF, of course) Only DP causes some people to be in a constant uproar. That's why Danica Patrick is "freakin' Danica Patrick." LOL!!!
Just to bring up a point, she is not losing position on her pit stop, like she was doing before. Maybe the crew is getting better. But, it still means she is not losing position in the pits.
There is very little "skill" that is needed to drive at Daytona or Talledega.
Its lottery racing. Hope that you aren't one of the 20 guys or gals taken out in a crash and then race in the last 15 laps with the 15-20 cars left that aren't scratched up.
Its why guys (on lower buck teams) like David Ragan and Dave Blaney and David Gilliland and Trevor Bayne can get top 10 finishes there and they never sniff a top 20 finish anywhere else.
Even Danica Patrick can look like a NASCAR driver at Daytona or Talledega. The rest of the schedule though isn't so pretty.
@Solvera Here's my take on Patrick: In the history of auto sports, she will never reach the level as one of the greatest drivers of her generation. Patrick will never reach the level as of one of the greatest drivers in Indycar or Nascar. However, Patrick has carved out several benchmarks in the record books in both Indycar and Nascar. Her accomplishments will forever remain in the book of records. In addition, all of the the women racers (before DP was ever born) had the guts to set their benchmarks. Patrick has spoken many times that she stands on the shoulders of those women before her.That her records only serve as an inspiration to the new generation of women racers, who will one day take their own place in racing history. Indeed, DP has always been feisty, petulant, combative, intense, and abrasive. But there is only ONE Danica Patrick. It will be a long, long time before anyone will witness such a firestorm as this mere 5'2 shrimp has generated. You know--"that driver who shall not be named." Yeah, that's the one!!
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.....and many will say that is a good thing.
This thread has followed the pattern of most DP threads for the last 7-8 years. Some fans are critical, and some defend her at every turn. Many follow her threads from forum to forum, still trying to make their case. But there is a difference over time as the number of threads has diminished, and the number of "regulars" has dwindled. Many fans just don't seem to care anymore.
Early in her career it was all about her potential, and she did seem that she might be the "one" who breaks the glass ceiling in racing and becomes one of the "guys" racing at the front. I admit I was impressed with her car control in the early days. But living off "potential" has been replaced with facts about actual results and a history. Instead of breaking stereotypes, she has reinforced some other female racers have been trying to break away from, such as playing the sex symbol card.
Obviously, what the fans think is important, but some of that has been shaped by the massive PR machine that has followed her from the beginning. IMHO, what tells the tale is how other drivers threat her on track. If you follow her on track (TV makes sure that is hard to avoid), what strikes me is that she normally runs alone. When other drivers are around her, they seem to give her a lot of room. This was true in Indy Car and is now repeated in NASCAR. No one would draft with her at Talledega (even she commented) and a number of times drivers have just "moved" her out of the way. This was very noticeable at Richmond as faster cars were lapping her. Contrast that with someone like Eric McClure. He isn't very fast, but almost always stays out of the way and doesn't impact the races of others.
DP has been around long enough now that there probably aren't many surprises left. What you see is probably all you are going to get. The "potential" has never been realized and now after 10 years in pro racing and 30+ Nationwide races, there are few clues that the future will be any different.
Still she is a decent mid pack driver who can get good results by staying out of trouble and using her equipment to get decent results. And for her fanboys, that is enough to keep the dream alive. Personally, I have had enough of the hype.
[QUOTE=cbreez99;3012811
Anyway, when the flag ends the race you don't turn someone into the wall at speed. She should have bumped him a bit on the backstretch when taking the cooldown lap if her panties were that much in a wad.[/QUOTE]
That is pretty rich coming from a cheerleader of the guy who has deliberatly hunted and wrecked a car in pitlane after a race.. and before anyone says that was not a dangerous move, the pitlane was full of cars, pit crews and gasoline
"My favorite time of the day at the Speedway during the month of May was just after dusk, after the track had closed down for day, I used to go out and sit on the pit wall and just listen and think"~ Dick Ralstin
Peabody there's some things you just said that I agree with, some things I don't, and some things I need clarification on.
-You mentioned Eric McClure in positive terms by stating he generally gets out of people's way. Are you saying that DP would gain your respect if she did the same?
EDIT: I erased my comments about driving "alone" after rereading your post, I didn't quite capture your point the first time around. I haven't noticed in either sport anyone giving her huge amounts of room, any different than any other driver. Mostly I've noticed every driver trying be faster than every other driver. Is there a particular timeframe you're referring to? Also, is it not contradicatory to claim that drivers give her tons of room, but they also get close enough to bump her out of the way? I have heard many many drivers compliment her on various aspects of racing, but its true that that is not the same as on track. So you are welcome to claim that you feel they're "just saying that".
-In terms of the sex appeal issue, I disagree with your opinion wholeheartedly. I think it is an absolutely asinine aspect of our culture that women are expected to choose between being a sex symbol and gaining the respect of others. This is a societal problem that goes far beyond racing. I do understand that this issue is solely opinion, i can't say its a fact that my way is right and yours is wrong (and vice versa).
-I think you are absolutely right that for some fans, her getting decent results is enough and it doesnt matter to them how those results are obtained. to an extent I have that opinion. To a much stronger extent though I focus on consistency of others arguments. For example, if someone makes claims that any particular good IndyCar race for her shouldn't "count" because she gained spots by attrition, then that person should say that James Buesher's Nationwide win shouldnt count because he won by being in 11th spot and having the ten people in front of him crash.
Last edited by solvera; 05-09-2012 at 12:48 PM.
This comment is directed at both Todd Gack and 4wide. To Gack, I disagree that restrictor plate racing takes no skill. If that were true, then we'd never have drivers crashing each other by accident during these races. However I do think it is a different skill set. So, sure, you could potentially have a driver who excels at plate races, and never gets a...top ten let's say, at any other type of racetrack. And vice versa, you could have someone who wins a whole bunch of races at Bristol and Martinsville but never the Daytona 500. Which one "counts" more is completely subjective but either viewpoint can be backed up by facts. Just for example, one could say the 500 is more prestigious, but depends too much on the lottery factor like you said.
As to 4wide's earlier comments, I will clarify my viewpoint. I think good results at Daytona/Dega can happen in lots of different ways and all of them are valid in my opinion. For example, you can have a person win by only being the pusher with different partners, then at the last second they go for the pass to win. I think that's great. You could also have a person switch off being the pusher and pushee, and they cross the finish line first while being the pushee. I think that's also great. You could have a person run alone during the whole race, then hook up with a partner during the last five laps and win, and i think that's great.
In general in NASCAR, who starts up front doesnt always end up front and vice versa. So let's say Danica has a hypothetical race, at any track, where she spends the first, oh, 100 laps between 20th-30th, then makes adjustments during pit stops, then spends the last 50 laps between 5-10th spot, I personally would say rock on Danica. Ive heard many NASCAR drivers comment that it doesn't matter where you start, it matters where you finish. Now, I *would* comment if, say, Driver X spends the entire day in the top 5, then crashes on the last lap. I would say something like the results do not indicate how good their race really was.
My friend beej...I recall Harvick brake checking and blocking Kyle on pit lane, then getting out of his car to confront him and Kyle just cleared away the debris from the road...no hunting involved, no other cars close, slow speeds, gasoline was gone, race over...back on subject now!
I would love to see Sam pay her back! Won't happen though...
Ignorant men marvel at extraordinary things. Intelligent men admire simple things.
cbreez, I remember that Kyle Busch situation (it made me laugh even though I knew he'd get in trouble). I'm sorry I lost track of your previous opinions...based on your comment, it appears you feel that deliberately hitting someone in NASCAR is OK, under certain circumstances such as when the race is over. If so, how would you defend this to the folks above, and to media personnel, who get very offended at the idea of purposely hitting someone?My friend beej...I recall Harvick brake checking and blocking Kyle on pit lane, then getting out of his car to confront him and Kyle just cleared away the debris from the road...no hunting involved, no other cars close, slow speeds, gasoline was gone, race over...back on subject now!
I would love to see Sam pay her back! Won't happen though...
You can't defend or explain the "code" that exists when you race to many of the folks here, who have never been on track or even been a participant in the pits. Certain rules in life are unwritten rules.
Some feel all emotion should be taken from the sport of driving which is impossible to do...human nature you know. You should just try to pick and choose your payback spots to be in the least conspicuous area, which is impossible to do in this day of TV.
Bobby Allison said it best once regarding Cale in turn 3 at Daytona. "He hit me and I knew if I didn't take care of it NOW, I would be running from him the rest of my life."
Are you arguing for or against what Danica did because frankly that Bobby Allison quote would seem more in support of her.
What or when was the incident in which she slapped someone? Is it on video? I didn't see it.
I remember her slapping Jacques Lazier when they got into the ambulance. Can't remember the track, might have been Fontana.
oopsMy friend beej...I recall Harvick brake checking and blocking Kyle on pit lane, then getting out of his car to confront him and Kyle just cleared away the debris from the road...no hunting involved, no other cars close, slow speeds, gasoline was gone, race over...back on subject now!
I would love to see Sam pay her back! Won't happen though...
Carry on!
Might as well list those you think feel that "all emotion should be taken from the sport of driving" because personally I don't see it here. In this thread, or TF overall.
What I do see though is that some get a free pass for showing the emotion while others get called out for it.
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