retiring numbers is awkward = person cult = communism... ha ha... period
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retiring numbers is awkward = person cult = communism... ha ha... period
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#14 wasn't retired after the death of Bill Vukovich, and without getting too deeply into it, Vuky's death in the grand scheme of things probably had more profound effect on the sport of auto racing at the time than Moore's at that time. #14 later became legendary.
Moore's death was tragic. Personally choosing not to use #99 is one thing. Having the sanctioning body retire it permanently is another.
Remind me how many Indy 500 starts and Indy 500 victories did he have?Originally Posted by gonzo
I have seen a lot of drivers come and go since the first race I attended in 1955. And Moore was not one of the drivers that had an impact (on me anyway) in all those years. He's not even in my top 100. I'm not saying his loss wasn't tragic. He just does not show on my radar screen.
It's OK if you are not in awe of somebody. And I am not in awe of him.
Gregg Sebald
As much as Greg?
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
So Gonzo, what did Greg do to make you think he is so special?
This is just weird. I'm 40. I've watched this sport a long time. I didn't even know he wore red gloves until this post.
Moore was just another guy when he got killed in a car. Yes, I watched that race on television.
Wheldon is a two-time Indy winner. If you were clamoring for him to have something retired in his name, I'd be slightly swayed, but still would say no. That's not how racing works.
You also can't equate racing to stick and ball sports. Teams retire #'s. Just because no 49er will wear #16 or #80 doesn't stop other teams from issuing that number.
If Bryan Herta never wants to use 98 again, fine with me.
As far as I know, there is only two numbers retired by all teams in a major sport.....42 in baseball and 99 in hockey.
Obviously, people have different opinions, heck you could wear #12 or #33 on the Cowboys if you wanted. Or I could be a lineman for the Raiders and wear #63 or #78. The line why the Raiders never retired numbers was then eventually Al Davis would've had to honor Marcus Allen.
Because it's been almost two whole weeks since the last time this stupid "debate" came up...
BTW, what number was Sam driving when he had his accident...
Chicago BlackHawks...2010 Stanley Cup Champions...It was fun while it lasted!
Is that a prerequisite? Does that mean you would be okay retiring Wheldons number?
I'm not asking anybody to be in awe of him, but just because you don't think he didn't have a profound affect on the sport doesn't mean you are right. Doesn't make me right either but there is a trophy in his honor that proves he did have a very profound affect on the sport. So there is some sort of proof that exists that acknowledges he was special.
You may disagree about whether he was special or not, but there are clearly those involved in the sport and the organization that feel otherwise.
Do they create awards for people that are "just another guy"?
I knew it would go there. Please, everyone. You are disrespecting EVERYONE now. Moore, Brayton, Wheldon, everyone. This isn't a debate about who was better, etc. Just leave it alone. No numbers are retired and will never be. Period. It's a silly thread.
Every race I run in is in preparation for the Indianapolis 500. Indy is the most important thing in my life. It is what I live for. - Al Unser Jr.
Everything I ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. - Eddie Sachs.
Sorry, you are done RS2, remember you made your statement "there is no reason" and have no interest in a further conversation. Further participation from you would simply be to provoke an argument. I would hate to see you contradict your above statement that you made the other day in Ernests thread.
Yup, certain people are now arguing because that's how they get their rocks off.
That isn't true!
CART retired the number 99.
IndyCar chose not to but they continued with the award.
No one knows for sure, it wasn't part of the contract and Roger and Greg, "hadn't gotten to that yet" is my understanding. I suspect Roger might have let Greg keep his number though...
Who's arguing?
Well, you've also got the crazy ought numbers (0, 00, 01, 02...09).
It's a Hoosier thing, you wouldn't understand...
Keep trying to troll split hate. I ain't takin' the bait. Good day to you sir...
Using a number like 02 should be grounds for time in a federal prison!
Troy Ruttman and Parnelli Jones won with that number also.
I am not OK with retiring ANY number.
Even having a spat about this is a fool's errand. In sports that retire numbers, it is typically because that particular athlete was so outstanding and so meaningful to their team that no one could ever approach that level again (think Jordan's #23 with the Bulls). To my knowledge, being full of potential and by all accounts a great guy hasn't generally been used as the criteria.
I think it is a mistake in motorsport to retire numbers. If you want to, get Wheldon's retired and let us go from there.
No man can cause more grief than that one clinging blindly to the vices of his ancestors. - William Faulker
Okay.
I agree, well said.
So if Moore raced at the Speedway and had a significant record at the Speedway you would then be okay with the number being retired?
Maybe just retire red gloves.
Win/Win
....I think they should retire Braytons number.
His car was Blue and white on that awful day IIRC. Maybe they should retire those colors too?
Faster than a bullet from a gun
He is faster than everyone
Quicker than the blinking of an eye
Like a flash you could miss him going by
No one knows quite how he does it but it's true they say
He's the master of going faster. -George Harrison
NO!!!!!!!!! PAY ATTENTION MAN!!
(sorry to yell)
I nearly cried when i saw that.Also, aside from the "retiring numbers" discussion.... here is what could have been... That Marlboro car looks nice in #99.
Moore could have been 2000, 20001 CART series champion, he would have raced at Indy too! Helio wouldn't have won his Indy 500s and wouldn't be where he is today well he would have gone some other route. Moore always did well on the ovals and would have done well in the IRL and judging by Helio and Gil's success at Indy I think Greg would have too. What could have been sucks big time but this ss racing I guess.
And so we came to Road America where we burned up at the lake, but at the speedway of Nazareth I made no mistake
Well, there goes my idea for a red glove sales stand in Gasoline Alley.
No, I am not in favor of any numbers being retired. I just agree that Greg was never on my radar as a great race driver. Good, especially for his young age, but he wasn't around long enough to become great. I was at Fontana that day in 1999 sitting in Turn 1. I saw his car on the Jumbotron get sideways and then go into that inside wall cockpit first. I will never forget that. I listened on my scanner when they called out that terrible code. I looked at my sons and told them to prepare for the worse. I was also there when Dan lost his life at Vegas. I've had a lot of great days at the racetrack, but those were my 2 worst, by far.
That's how it seems unfortunately.
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