I will be cheering on Pole day. 215 or 230. Doesn't really impact me that much. I have far more pressing issues in my life.
I will be cheering on Pole day. 215 or 230. Doesn't really impact me that much. I have far more pressing issues in my life.
Not even new to the cars in this series. The "old" Dallara had paddle shifters for years. Carbon brake discs have been used on the high speed ovals since the nineties.Originally Posted by jkeener24
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Somehow I didn't know that. I thought the whole left foot braking issue for Franchitti was due to using his left for the clutch. I'd have to revise it to carbon brakes on the road courses, but outside of that I guess you're right.
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Keep in mind that with the "old" Dallara - as is the case with any race car that uses a non-synchro transmission with straight-cut gears - you only have to use the clutch to get going from a standstill or when coming to a complete stop. It's not used when shifting so its possible to be a left foot braker (once the car is rolling) even with a traditional 3-pedal layout.
I have a question for you? Did they boo in 1974 when they were 8-10 MPH slower than they were in 1973? The 4 lap qualifying pole speed in 1973 was 198.413 mph and then 189.683 mph in '74 (Yes, Johnny Rutherford and AJ Foyt qualified faster than the pole speed, but missed pole day).With brand new cars and technology 10 years newer than the old car, they are slower on ovals and barely faster on road/street courses. Indycar wants to grow the sport right? then why are these new technology cars slower/the same as the old car. Fans want speed! not nascar! There's a thread on here talking about how the zr1 is more impressive than these new cars and it should attempt to qualify. Some say, wellllll it's not about the speed, just as long as the racing is good. NOOOOO, they're indycars, and supposed to be amazing machines! and if they are trying to slow ovals...huge dumb mistake, then why at least aren't they waaay faster than the old car on road/street!!! Pretty bad when formula nippon in japan is faster than INDYCAR!!!! If cars qualify at 215-222 this year, that'll be a disaster for the series and fans and i'm gonna puke. People will havta pretend for a while that they love indycar, but as speeds are rediculous they'll start to fade away. Guys, I love indycars and i know i'm b****ing, but come on, how can I justify driving over 4 hours to watch slow cars? We need goosbumps, not hotdogs at the 500!!! I just hope magic happens so that everyone doesn't start booing at crappy pole speeds! ps---im still going to qualifying and the race....just hope I don't get depressed
The cars weren't slower because of track conditions, but because the series intentionally reduced the HP and the downforce generated by the cars to slow them down.
And yet, in 74 and 73 the track was full for pole day (or nearly full).
In 75 the speeds were up to 193 MPH for the pole. But in 76, they were back down to the high 189s.
It wasn't until 1977, the year they repaved the track entirely, did they break the track record and the 200 mph mark.
So tell me, were people getting hopelessly depressed or b**ching and whining like they are now that IndyCar has intentionally reduced the speeds of the car?
A little quick to judge the new cars as "slow," aren't you? Straight out of the box, with minimal testing on both cars and engines, they were faster than last year on the road courses (didn't they beat last year's pole time at all three, before Brazil?). You don't think they're going to get any faster than that?
Not much testing on ovals, either, and I don't think the testing done at Indy had the oval aero package (I could be wrong). In addition to being completely new (as in, not ten years of setup data to go on), they showed handling problems in the corners at Indy, and were running with plenty of downforce. This means slower speeds in the corner because they have to lift so much, and slower straightaway speeds. This is what testing is for. Still they got up to 218.
When they get enough practice laps to get these cars balanced in the corners, and start running trimmed out for qualifying, they are going to get significantly faster. It's pretty damn silly to be complaining about speeds before the cars have even turned a lap in practice.
I think you will be surprised at the speeds. But, whatever they are, I am sure you still won't be satisfied. Some people never are.
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Ah, you must not have been there for Danica blaming her team, or the F1 race with 4 cars. Indy fans will Boo the obviously awful.
More likely though, fans are just not going to show up. I expect next to nobody for bump day, a small crowd on pole day.
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If cars are running on the edge and the speed is over 200 mph, then real fans will appreciate the drivers and cars.
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not sure that any person or their words or any speed difference can tell my body, "don't make those goosebumps".
speed is drag racing and bonneville. i like indycar for what it is, not what anyone says it should be. i'll again cheer for the pole winner and race winner - the guy wade said "will have milk dripping down his chin". i'll be sad for any team bumped out or wrecked out, knowing that feeling of anxiety on pole day and a quicker end to race day. i'll hope to have a blast over the next couple weeks and there is no news story that will take that away even if my guys don't make the race and i'm sitting in a seat instead of standing in the perch this year. ROP today and opening day saturday --enough of this negative talk. if you're a fan of indycar then fan-up and make the 4 hour drive and enjoy all that happens, not just a disected couple minutes of it.
At qualifying,there's always gonna be a guy who drank a little too much already, booing something, and another one cheering something only he sees. Part of the pole day experience.
exactly. >99% of the worlds population will never go that fast in a car and these guys are doing it on a flat corner.
Why does the phrase, "they're cute when they're young" keep coming to mind when I read TF threads?
Every once in a while someone really gets one off on TF.
And to anwer the question, I think most folks will be enjoying a day out seeing IndyCars in person at the World's Greatest Race Course; so the answer is no.
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That would seem to make the most sense... And if you're not a fan, you're in the wrong forum
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That's the polite way of dealing with drivel like this.
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guys, guys, guys. i'm not trying to bash indycar or the tradition of how great indianapolis is. i love the tradition and will cherish it as much as the next guy. i simply put this thread on just because i was curious as to what others thought. with marco andretti saying "man this thing is slow(at indy test) and 218 test lap......thats with tows around the track. and yes i realize its a new car and needs to be shaken out. and im sure there weren't boo's back then, but when these little missiles are barely faster than nascar on ovals or say a zr1, can only make me slightly upset is all. im not willing to settle for 209 lap times unless its the last 5 laps of the race and conserving fuel. guys im a lover, not a hater or trying to bash indycar. i go to at least 5 races a year driving or flying to get there. i love all indycar fans
Did indycar fans boo when the IRL pole was 218 in 97 down from 233 in 96?
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Yes. I've heard almost all drivers get booed by someone at some point. There's always going to be someone who doesn't like a particular driver and will show their disgust by booing or even less classy, extending the middle finger.
The stock cars do about 185 for a lap around Indy, so I wouldn't say the IndyCars are "barely faster." It's a new machine. Part of the fun is seeing who can figure it out and beat the competition. As others have said, I just enjoy being at the track. A 5 or 10 MPH drop in lap speed won't bother me one bit.guys, guys, guys. i'm not trying to bash indycar or the tradition of how great indianapolis is. i love the tradition and will cherish it as much as the next guy. i simply put this thread on just because i was curious as to what others thought. with marco andretti saying "man this thing is slow(at indy test) and 218 test lap......thats with tows around the track. and yes i realize its a new car and needs to be shaken out. and im sure there weren't boo's back then, but when these little missiles are barely faster than nascar on ovals or say a zr1, can only make me slightly upset is all. im not willing to settle for 209 lap times unless its the last 5 laps of the race and conserving fuel. guys im a lover, not a hater or trying to bash indycar. i go to at least 5 races a year driving or flying to get there. i love all indycar fans
As far as sustained boos (not just a few folks in the crowd), I'd say RHR got at least a scattering last year. Danica, of course, was booed roundly by the crowd two years ago after seemingly throwing her team under the bus during an interview over the PA.
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Did Emmo get booed the year after the O.J. incident?
By and large, the fans boo "appropriately".
Ain't engine competition grand?
The last boos I remember were after Danica trashed her team and said it wasn't her fault.
I've seen the speeds go up and down for safety reasons since I started attending in 1974, so this is no different. Nothing to boo. Nobody to boo.
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No, they just decided not to show up. And that's what will happen this year. If the speeds in practice are under 220, there will be no boos. The boos will be somewhere else spending their money somewhere else.
Get your head out of your past!!!
Good, dont need ya.. thats one more ticket available for a real fan that appreciates and supports the series...
Not to belabor the point, but that was because AA DID buy his way in rather than him earning it.
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