I would think it is an easy question to answer.
Is going slower a good strategy for IndyCar to increase its popularity?
Yes/No
Please explain your reasoning behind your answer.
Yes
No
I would think it is an easy question to answer.
Is going slower a good strategy for IndyCar to increase its popularity?
Yes/No
Please explain your reasoning behind your answer.
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
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Loaded question if I ever saw one.
I don't think it's a good strategy to run an ad that says, "Come watch us! We're slower!"
But it's pretty clear that all those "Speed Limit 230" signs didn't work either, so the reverse is also likely not a good strategy. I don't think outright speed beyond some vague threshold of "fast" is a good foot forward from a marketing perspective. 200 is fast. 215 is fast. 225 is fast. They're all fast. Distinguishing your series from another by being faster within the spectrum of fast likely isn't sufficient when your competitor dominated the market. That would be like RC saying they're just a little bit spicier than Coke.
Finally, a fresh topic!Originally Posted by gonzo
No.
Easy to see an effective pitch to viewers and attendees based around going faster.
Less so based on "hey look, you've got more time to yourselves between laps!"
Innovation did not used to be a 4 letter word in IndyCar.
No! Speed is something that always got people's attention, specially in Indianapolis, IMO. So going slow isn't good, but I'm not sure how bad it is TBH.
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A very good thing! The reduced speeds are generating a lot of internet discussion among racing fans. This substantial spike in bandwith is sure to be notied by the National Security Agency and/or the Central Intelligence Agency, who under The Patriot Act are required to monitor all internet traffic. Despite government attempts to supress the information, it will nonetheless soon appear on WikiLeaks, at which point untold millions of internet users the world over will be exposed to our sport.
So the more threads on this the better!
I ain't quiet, everybody else is too loud.
No. Going slower is not a good strategy for IndyCar to increase its popularity.
Going slower is a result of the strategy to decrease the cost of racing.
Because increasing popularity is proving to be so darn hard, if not outright impossible, unfortunately the only alternatives are to decrease costs or die.
While spiciness is may not be a marketing comparison for soft drinks, ability to refresh is. I don't why speed should be any different. I don't really look at it as a comparison to other racing though. Trying to pull in fans of other auto-racing is like preachers trying to poach from neighboring churches. Speed is a great marketing technique for those unfamiliar with racing. If it's fast and looks good then it's sexy and sexy is what is needed for a new generation of race fans. I started attending the 500 because of the speed and the party. Now I've graduated to really enjoying the race and have watched many other races. I now frequently lurk in this forum and keep tabs on what's going on. I think speed, heroism, and a good time will bring new people to the sport. Speed is not the only thing but it's certainly something.
They are ultimately unrelated.
However, I feel like if the series is going to be damned, let it be damned for what it's really supposed to be. SO give me more speed.
But that isn't going to make a difference in the ratings.
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Is this topic about the Lotus teams with their drvers Jean Alesi & Simona deSilvestro crawling around the 200MPH mark???
The growing popularity of the extreme underdogs...
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Shouldn't you first concentrate on distinguishing yourself from what was accomplished in the past?
How can you even begin to say you are faster, better or different from anybody when you can't even beat moth balled equipment sitting in your own museum?
I think the distinction comes first from within!
I think that is what led us to where we are at now.
How so?
Stupid question. No one is claiming that going slower is to increase popularity. The closest thing to that implication is people that argue that going slower allows for improved racing. I don't necessarily agree with that.
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Did the lack of a 200mph pole decrease popularity in 1980?
On the flip side, if it's all about the "top" speed, second day qualifying in 1996 should have been packed with Gonzo's Millions since everyone and their brother knew Arie was going to set the world on fire and Tom would be bellowing "...And it's a new track record"...
On the flip side, which was more popular...80's NASCAR or 90's NASCAR? Who was going faster?
Heck, even the NHRA isn't going "as fast" as they once were...a recent Racer article had most drivers conceeding we won't be seeing any new records there either...
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A loaded, illogical question with illogical answers. The question is much, and I mean MUCH more difficult than people are giving it credit for. Is going slower a good way to go? Maybe not, but the answer 'yes' doesn't work either.
People really don't care about speed any more. It's celebrities & close racing that are the name of the game anymore.
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Doesn't stupid Darrell Waltrip always say slow down to go faster?
Wanker!
Nascar is slower. Are they more popular than us?
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Because nobody outside of this forum and the people who actually did it remembers that! There's an entire group of young impressionable sports fans who have no IDEA this all somehow sucks compared to the past! Because they don't remember that past! They only know because miserable "fans" of the sport keep reminding them! I wish every damn fan who wants to talk about the split, how we're not fast anymore, how the drivers are pansies, or about how we suck for some other random and crazy reason, would all just go watch unlimited hydros! Good lord! No KIDDING there's a perception problem! Just when a fan gets interested enough to check this stuff out online, they've got people otherwise in need of medication harping on about how the product sucks! WTH do you THINK the outcome of that equation is???
Geez! What the bollocks, people???
Why would an IndyCar going slower increase popularity?
I would say no. The danger will always be there regardless of how fast or slow. The implied danger is what got most of us interested. That said. Safety has also gotten to be very good to the point where I think we can afford to be going well into the 230's again. Yes I can see why some would think that was pushing the limits of too fast back in the 90's but to say that now is simply ridiculous with all the safety improvements made.
What we saw in October at LVMS was not a product of the speed but of a type of car being raced in a way that it was never designed to do or intended to do. If we wanted to see slowed down pack racing we'd all be watching NASCAR. But we aren't because we know OWR offers us something unique that other series' don't do as well.
Open wheel cars do not pack race. Simple as that. The room for error in that situation so small that no human can maintain that kind of concentration for THAT long. After that long something has to give and we saw the outcome when something does. We have seen in the past how to race at high speeds and still have a great race. And it looks like RB and the boys have implemented new things that will hopefully get us back to that kind of oval racing.
Said it right there.
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Indycar has reset several times over it history. Faster will come again.
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Precisely. This has happened time and time again, and it has never been a death knell, or even close to it.
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For me it's all in how the past is presented. Is the product as good as then? Nope. Is the product today getting pretty good? Absolutely. With that said though I think it's totally possible to show new fans why we want a racing formula more similar to the glory days of CART without putting the generation of fans that never saw it off.
Yet now several races each year haven't got as many viewers as the 500 has butts in the seats.
That didn't used to be the case.
Not since racing on TV made money, at least.
NASCAR does not count because seemingly most of the fan base now thinks Dale Sr. was the first person to drive a race car. Many simply are not racing fans.
Now take the speeds at Indy over the last 20 years and chart the popularity in relationship to the speeds. Seems to me going slower turned people away.
Get your head out of your past!!!
Ups I voted yes but meant no!
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Oh, totally agree. NASCAR manages just fine even with a chunk of its fans pining for the old days. I just think threads like this aren't the way.
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