Newgarden should have done the same. Would still be starting right where he is.
Newgarden should have done the same. Would still be starting right where he is.
Ain't engine competition grand?
The officials were talking on the radio about if the KZ cars were in violation of the rules since they didn't complete a qualifying attempt.
I think it was more interesting that Penske stacked the end of the qualifying queue at the end so no more AA cars could go after RHR.
They can't force a driver to complete a run. All the driver has to do is run a slow lap, come in, and say the car was so loose or so pushing so bad he was going to crash if he stayed out. No one can prove otherwise.
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No one had to badge the Offy.
Nascar would find a "technicality" to send the pansy drivers to the back if the starting field. Indycar needs to grow the same.Originally Posted by DaveL
It has nothing to do with the drivers. The drivers always want to go for it, owners are the ones who make those decisions.
I'd rather have 10% of the world interested in the ICS than 50% of US that NASCAR currently has
I think they said what IndyCar can do with their shootout.
If IndyCar tries to make a rule to prevent that, the teams could just go out and putt around at 80mph. Eat up about 15 minutes.
Have to agreed with you on the "what indcar can do with their shootout" Kv obviously don't understand customer (us) relations...its part of the the show, KV. I did not come to watch a half a s s effort
I guess taking a pass is OK, but they should just state so officially up front rather than putting around for a lap
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I think a team tried that last year and there were told they couldn't "pass".
Where was Briscoe before shoot out? And after?
"I think there's only so many people that can take care of themselves, and can take care of other people. And the rest of the people … they're useful in terms of compost for the whole planet, you know." - Bill Murray
I don't see a problem with it. If you qualified in the top 3 rows and don't feel like you had a shot at the pole, why risk wadding up your car when there isn't an abundant supply of backups and engines? If you want to shoot for the pole, you have that option. Seems pretty fair to me.
I don't think much would have changed under the old qualifying rules.
Exactly.
A part I don't like is that the original times get erased. I always feel like if
someone lays down a great set of laps in the heat of the day - then they have
*earned* that time and should be able to stand on it. Qualifying at Indy should
ALWAYS matter = times should never be erased (as long as they pass post-qual tech).
Penske showed a bit of a lack of confidence......I'd rather he showed some swagger and say go right ahead......as I don't believe the weather was favorable to the AA cars looking at their performance anomalies after Hinch's run......while it was not quite a schlubb move, it was a move of someone very conservative and made Will look a bit like a tool......c'mon Rog grow a set! You had them covered in that weather.
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What do I think to anyone who passes on the shootout
Wish all of them would have, just another gimmick
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
Is there a sport you LIKE you could go chat about?What do I think to anyone who passes on the shootout
Wish all of them would have, just another gimmick
I'm sorry, is there a rule that we have to LIKE everything IndyCar is doing these days? There certainly wasn't a rule ten years ago...
The "gimmick" created the fastest single lap and 4-lap average of the day/month.
...and two North Americans on the front row.
...and gave the forgotten Penske driver an Indy pole.
...and a 227 warmup lap, which ignited the crowd.
...and Ganassi to be shut out of the first 3 rows.
...and a rookie to have a chance at the pole.
...and Sarah Fisher's team to have a shot at the pole (for the 2nd year in a row).
I like Indycar racing, unfortunately the powers that be have been tearing it apart for the last 20 years...both sides.....And as much time as I've spent at 16th and Georgetown I can complain if I want to, You live in Speedway, no big deal to you, but I drive real miles to get there when I go, always have.
Agreed.What do I think to anyone who passes on the shootout
Wish all of them would have, just another gimmick
Get rid of all the gimmicks and race the cars.
"You just don't know what Indy Means" Al Unser Jr.
Gimmicks have been a part of all professional sports, including racing' for decades...it is a form of entertainment...the ideas is to sell tickets...nothing new...
I think they should do away with the fast nine. Forcing a small team to run could cause a problem.
Why not just let the 24 qualify to 6PM. You could ever keep a rule that you don't have to withdraw
say in the last 1 1/2 hours. Then if a team is sitting 3rd but has not desire to go out again so be it.
Agreed. I think that it's asking a bit much to have drivers hang it out in qualifying several times in one day, and for me it kind of loses it's drama when they just keep going out over and over.
Hey, Helio and Will deserved their shot at the bonus... but yea... what was wrong with yesterday was that the Andretti Autosports cars didn't get enough bites at the apple.
As far as the KV cars they satisfied the rules and the Speedway never penalizes you for having a firm grasp on reality.
"Ride The Barrel & Get Pitted... So Pitted."
If someone wants to pass on it, let P10, P11 etc take the shot at the pole and so on down the line and at least improve their position ahead of the cars who choose not to do so.
I like your thinking on this.
... by far.
No excuses. IndyCar is going in the wrong direction.
I'm willing to see it as a blip.
An awful, heartbreaking blip.
Let's see what happens next year.
Cancer sucks.
There only 33 cars. How can there be bumping? And it is not like we learned of this just today.
Um...I believe that's his point.
How does that change anything?
The sky is falling!
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