Look on page three. Nice try.Originally Posted by KevMcNJ
Look on page three. Nice try.
Do you see even a single section that's 25% full? Note the infield.... not exactly packed.
I wish I could pack that into a sig line
This is why ovals are dropping like flies and streets are beeing added hand over fist. How the series can ask for $1 - $1.5 mill sanction fee when 30,000 show up at an oval is beyyyyond me.
Snobbery in OW still has no bounds it seems.
Who said I was responding to the OP?
70K? really?
These are the "middle" stands. Barely 1/4 full.
Rest in peace, Dan Wheldon 1978 - 2011
That isn't barely half full...
It's way less than half.
But you're right... these are the best sections. As shown above, many, many sections were barren of life forms.
You have any images or other evidence to back your assertions?
What's your agenda?
20% would be something like 24k. For the parts of the track we could see (not the suites), that's sure a lot closer to right than 70,000 some say.
No, they aren't.Those are at pit exit. Well outside the fuller middle stands (the ones that are parallel to pit road). You can see that the blue and red seats end in your picture.
(Yes, 70k is too high. But your picture is faulty evidence.)
Cancer sucks.
Ok.... that's not what ANYBODY HERE has said at all.... suggest re-reading the entire thread and apologizing to each of us.
The voices you're hearing that are complaining about the new car not bringing crowds yet are not speaking here.
yup. I corrected my post. 1/4 full is more accurate.
Based on these picttures, I don't think Texas can say they are the largest attended Indycar race after Indy.
That honor should goto Long Beach.
post #66 has sections that are very close to start/finish. You can see the small oval that I assume is used for carting.
No section appears to be 25% full. Many sections pictured in the additional photos are 100% empty.
By my math that leaves 50% full as an impossibility.
Watch the race if you have it saved. Many more shots exemplify the emptiness we're discussing, but are more easily seen as moving video.
My agenda is realism. Far be it from me to defend IndyCar right now.
As in virtually every topic -- the truth lies somewhere close to the very middle of the extremes.
That's probably true.
Also gone is the "largest single day spectator event in the world", tho the IMS folks are always careful to let the interviewers mention that.
Closer -- but still not at start/finish. Not the fullest sections.
But 50k, counting spectators outside the main grandstand, is...
Flag stand, S/F line:
For Ren
Thanks.
It's so weird existing in the realistic middle and feeling almost completely alone.
Very close to the center.
That's where you perceive yourself to be.Thanks.
It's so weird existing in the realistic middle and feeling almost completely alone.
There's a reason others disagree.
Take the most recent pic... the "almost center" one... how dense do you see that as being?
Give me a number... what do your eyes see.
Or the newly added S/F pic... you see the flagstand... look at the section right behind it.
75% full?
50% full?
25% full?
< 25% full?
What do you see?
I will grant that I much prefer the racing of last night to some of what we saw with the previous chassis at this track.
I don't know if you saw today's SBK races, but they were pretty electric. In fact, I was thinking to myself while watching them, "If somebody weren't a Superbike Fan or (better yet) hadn't ever seen an SBK race, *THESE* races today could immediately turn somebody into a fan."
Ask yourself this (and I think this is what TheBear was getting at as well): Did what you see last night have the spectacle, the electricity, etc. to *immediately* turn somebody with complete lack of exposure to the series into a fan? Be honest.
And before you answer, didn't one of the drivers have their PR rep tweet an apology to the fans during the race???
So, an estimate of 50,000, between the extremes of 25,000 and 70,000+...
...isn't in the middle?
Such a bizarre conversation.
That's my agenda as well.
Have you any facts to support your position?
If the high estimate was 300,000, would you expect people to believe 150,000 were there last night?
I think you've been given tangible evidence that you're incorrect. I'm interested to see how you proceed.
It wasn't, and there's a good reason why it wasn't.
I would think 50K is a reasonable estimate.
Btw, has Eddie Gossage said anything about the race? about race next year?
Maybe quiet Eddie means he is happy
I think you WANT people to believe there were 50,000 there last night. It's obvious there were not.So, an estimate of 50,000, between the extremes of 25,000 and 70,000+...
...isn't in the middle?
Such a bizarre conversation.
That's a fair question.. No, I don't think it was the kind of thing to instantly grab massive quantities of fans. I think it is a good first step in the right direction, a place that will take many, many steps to get to.
Carpenter's carping means nothing to me. I assumed he was kidding, if not, he's exhibiting the same type of selfishness that got the sport where it is right now.
If he wasn't kidding, he may have been accepting the fact that he's irrelevant as a racecar driver with this type of setup. No worries, he won't have to earn his ride (as per the usual), he's an owner, after all.
One other note... some folks have looked at last night as getting away from "the NASCAR style of packracing". I disagree. Daytona and Talladega being obvious exceptions, most NASCAR oval races more closely resemble what we saw last night, cars spread out, cars that were at least faster for the moment caught and passed cars that were slower.
In other words, I don't think the sport had a chance to grow at all the way they were running in recent years. Based on what I saw yesterday, assuming they don't Uck Fup it, gives them a chance to do so, IMO.
For all of you bitching about attendance, what reason do you give for the poor turnout?
No, not when the other grandstands are empty.
Find me one picture that shows ANY section that is 50% full.
buckeye fans.
I'm not interested in a forensic investigation into the attendance of a race.
If that's the only way the discussion can be resolved, you "win" by default. (The quotation marks are the key to that sentence.)
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