Gee, Gonzo. I answered every point you made. Is your silence a concession?
Gee, Gonzo. I answered every point you made. Is your silence a concession?
"Is that my *** that I smell burning?" ... Helmet Stogie from "Death spasms of the Mabuchi"
Maybe they should hold the Indy 500 at the Indianapolis Motor Doesn'tMatterWay next year, in Doesn'tMatterWay, Indiana.Originally Posted by gonzo
... and they could broadcast it on the Doesn'tMatter Channel.Maybe they should hold the Indy 500 at the Indianapolis Motor Doesn'tMatterWay next year, in Doesn'tMatterWay, Indiana.
"Each day well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well therefore to this one day for it, and it alone, is life"
~ Sanskrit poem attributed to Kalidasa, "Salutation to the Dawn"
Brian's Wish
LOL!... and they could broadcast it on the Doesn'tMatter Channel.
At least IICS didn't choose the Delta Wing, it's far off the LMP1s and would have been quite a bit slower than even the old IR03 Dallara
You saw continued forward progression up to that point. Each year was faster and faster adding to the intrigue and spectacle. '81 was no issue cause they weren't that much slower and forward progression continued after that.
Tell me why the stands were empty today and don't for a second use the rain as an excuse or the "split"! Milwaukee had it all today did it not? I think it did except for one important element which is why I think it wasn't packed. But you clearly think it was perfect so if it was perfect why is nobody buying? Try and explain why it wasn't sold out.
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
As predicted in my other thread, the place was far from sold out. You had all the promotion in the world. Everybody praising Michael. Event looked great. But empty bleachers all over. Is there no hope for IndyCar? Is this as good as it gets or can it be made better?
The stands were filled more than they were last year, when they were going much faster. Your argument is invalid.
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Willo
"If I believed in fairy tales, I never would have dropped out of Kindergarden"
There is no hope for IndyCar. Stop watching and log off.
I think there is hope. Show me where I have said there is no hope! Please show me.
That's because you're not actually interested in getting an answer to the question, which is why you based the question on a complete falsehood.
So you think if it wasn't because of the rain or the split it would have been sold out? Basing question on a complete falsehood, that doesn't even make sense. You just can't answer the question!!! Come on, give me a valid justification to explain why Milwaukee was not a packed house. Doesn't even need to be sold out, just packed.
When you rule out answers to a complex problem, you are closing your eyes to reality.
Because it was a stupid, loaded, and leading question. If you're going to be that transparent, your trolls won't hook fish as easily.
He didn't say you did. He just told you to go away. If you're going to be a reactionary, you can at least read what you're reacting to. It's not that tough.
As a Wisconsinite and long time race fan I think I'm qualified to answer this question.
1. In the "old days" the Milwaukee race was traditionally held after the Indy 500. This brought many fans from the Midwest to Milwaukee since everyone was still riding the Indy high. It's not a coincidence that the Detroit race was sold out because it was first race after Indy and located in the Great Lakes region. If Milwaukee was held after Indy again the place would be packed again like it was in 2009.
2. Many people in Milwaukee and throughout Wisconsin is still confused about the situation with the Milwaukee Mile. First people said it was being sold, now it's not being sold, then there were stories of financial woes, and now we have a race at a place that was suppose to be in shambles. Last year this fog of truth was never cleared and thus why only 15K fans came. This year there were 15K ticket sales even BEFORE the race began and you can count that 5K more were probably sold during race day. 20K is still a small number but Andretti's crew did a great job digging themselves from a grave VOLUNTEERLY.
3. I was there on Friday during qualifying and I doubt you could find a person (unless they remember the high HP days of CART) that complained about the speeds. Everyone was in awe at the skill of the drivers and it was a pretty good crowd for practice and qualifying.
4. I believe because there was a significant jump in attendance this year that next year well be even better. The key is the proximity of Milwaukee's Indyfest time wise to to the Indy 500. That dumb butt move to Texas everytime after Indy really screwed things up for everyone IMO.
"The only good horsepower is usable horsepower.."
I never said that you said there was no hope. I answered your question with a friendly suggestion as to what to do.
Which approach do you think better serves the Series, or do you only care about you... and what you want?
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That's what it boils down to with gonzo. His entire argument boils down to this:
The reason the series doesn't do well, is because they don't listen to my opinion!
There's a reason he was given his own section of the forum. I get the feeling he just watches the race so he can come here and:
No, you have me mixed up with Hurley. Hurley is the one that only cares about what he likes and couldn't careless about whether others are enjoying the sport or not. He's said it here multiple times.
You can't answer by offering some constructive reasoning as to why the race was not packed. All you got is insults and jabs. Hurley, Hurley is being his predictable self. If he keeps it up I can get personal also and start cracking fat jokes if he likes. And fonzie, he's got nothing either. Just personal jabs and excuses to explain away why he can't answer or is unwilling to answer the question. So fine. Don't answer the question. I really couldn't care what you guys have to say if you are unwilling to show any interest in a meaningful discussion.
And you're here to speak for everyone or something? Are you the authoritative source for the opinion of the majority?
Yes that's clearly him and not you....
Clearly Gonzo speaks for the masses.
Actually the reality is that FTHurley has sound rational opinions and the ability to voice his opinion without his opinion becoming the focus of the thread.
More often than not, when I see Gonzo posting in a thread I can be sure if two things....
1.) He'll purposely choose and argue whatever the exact opposite opinion of the majority is, even if it's completely unsound and asinine. Basically playing devil's advocate all the time just for the sake of doing so and creating arguments.
2.) After enacting the above, the thread will quickly disintegrate and become a thread about Gonzo and not whatever it started as. It's the same game all the time "look at me, look at me".
Gonzo what you fail to realize is the majority exists because more often than not the majority is right. Even though the world has essentially gone nuts, even in 2012 there are still many more rational and logical people than irrational people. Always disagreeing with the majority may seem like a fun or cool thing to do but when you do it all the time it just makes one look like a clown that is trying to get attention.
Furthermore no matter how important you think you are, at the end of the day you are still just one man. Nothing more and nothing less. You can try to turn every thread into a "look at me" focus on yourself but it won't get you anywhere special in life or anywhere special as a fan of the IndyCar Series.
**** This Sport
Fair point, so why not move it back to after Indy, problem solved, sold out.
Did you go to the race? Would you let this supposed confusion over who owns the track or fairground prevent you from going to the race? It sure wouldn't stop me from going. If I can get a ticket, I don't care if there is a for sale sign on the front door or not. I have a hard time in a city with a 100 plus year tradition of attending the race that anything like that will prevent actual fans from going to the event. Maybe I am wrong, that is why I am asking you if you are a big IndyCar fan would or did that reason keep you away?
This is the argument everybody keeps raising. I don't care about the ones that are there. Just liek I don't care about the ones that are here saying speed doesn't matter. I want to know the opinions of the ones that aren't at the track, that aren't going any longer, that have for some reason lost interest. Why are they not attending. I would venture to guess watching the leaders compete today at 150mph was nowhere near the same skill level that was required when they were going 30mph faster! Find me those guys Hitokiri. Get me their opinions. Theres are the ones that matter.
You said 5k this year over last year. That isn't a significant jump. That is a drop in the bucket. There are corporate sponsors at Long Beach and Toronto who they alone were responsible for 5k back in the day. 5k is nice, it isn't significant. Again, just move the race to after the 500 like it was traditionally and problem solved. If 5k is significant, then you can say that the move in dates didn't significantly affect things if you've got 5k coming out. What is word on the street in Milwaukee? Were people staying home cause it wasn't after the 500? Really? If you are an IndyCar fan that is going to prevent you from going to the track? It didn't seem to prevent you Hitokiri. Why were you willing to overlook the date change but others were not?
Ah yes, perfect, the gang is all here! Oh wait we are missing RS2! Come on RS2, hop in, the pile isn't quite complete without you.Yes that's clearly him and not you....
Clearly Gonzo speaks for the masses.
Actually the reality is that FTHurley has sound rational opinions and the ability to voice his opinion without his opinion becoming the focus of the thread.
More often than not, when I see Gonzo posting in a thread I can be sure if two things....
1.) He'll purposely choose and argue whatever the exact opposite opinion of the majority is, even if it's completely unsound and asinine. Basically playing devil's advocate all the time just for the sake of doing so and creating arguments.
2.) After enacting the above, the thread will quickly disintegrate and become a thread about Gonzo and not whatever it started as. It's the same game all the time "look at me, look at me".
You know, if you had any intelligence at all you would recognize that it is you and posts just like the one above that disintegrate these discussions into threads about me.
Nope, I'm trying to raise a discussion in what is called a discussion forum, and people like you are complaining about the discussion. The simple solution is to not participate. I'm nothing but my own opinion. What about you? Do you speak for the masses?
You're too slow?
Sorry, buddy. You left yourself wide open.
In order to have a discussion, one has to listen and recognize things like irony and subtext, which is something you seem fairly inept at doing.
+100
Okay, whatever you say........I didn't realize I was asking such difficult questions.
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