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    Nascar going 200+, Indycar's days may be numbered

    I couldn't think of a better place for this post, so I'll try it here.

    With the cars looking damn slow at Milwaukee and some of the drivers down in the 140's and low 150's, while Nascars are going 204 at Michigan, I asked myself: what is wrong with this picture?

    The honest truth is the design of an Indycar was for allowing as much speed as possible. The design of a Nascar was for stock-type bumping and jockeying. Now Indycars are losing ponies and cylinders to keep speeds "safe" while Nascars are hitting the magic number at which fans who don't care much about speed will say "fast enough".

    Imagine hearing "there's not that much difference in speed between an Indycar and a Nascar anymore and the Nascars have a lot more physical challenge". With a statement like that, I see the irrelevance of Indycar. They are now but dumbed down versions of their former glory. And why? When the problem that led to Dan's demise has not been addressed, they still decide slowing them down is an answer to anything?

    I say bologna. It will end open-wheel racing or worse, have it sold off to Nascar as an underling if they do not increase the speeds, horsepower - essentially make the sport "man up".

    We are at a very critical point. No one is watching. It's a disappointment a minute and no growth on the horizon. So time to do what will be the only answer to Nascar, and that is- diverse tracks (got that part pretty well), and balls out high performance machines that make any other form of closed circuit racing look like it's for sissys. The only way to do it is to increase the horsepower and speeds of these cars and continue to innovate with safety. And do it now.

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    Been saying it for years. Been ripped on for saying it for just as long.
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    Except I guess NASCAR burned up the left side tires doing it so they brought in some 6 year old, 10mph slower tires in to use. NASCAR will slow their cars down, probably with gearing rules and anybody who can't see the difference between a 1 vs 2 mile track doesn't know Indycars don't go to MIS but were so much slower at Belle Isle anyway.

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    Yup. Look at how full those stands! It especially helps when NASCAR dropped some 40k seats at MIS. INDYCAR IS DOOMED!

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    204 isn't 225. Or 235. Or 245

    The bottom of their field is still sub-200, too.
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    I don't know if you caught it or not, but I was being sarcastic. Michigan is pretty empty in the turns and the front stretch looks about 80% full. Not good considering they significantly downsized their capacity.

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    1987, Bill Elliott ran 212 at Talladega and Mario had the pole at Indy with a 215. NASCAR isn't that fast again yet, and IndyCar isn't that slow now.
    Last edited by Turn13; 06-17-2012 at 05:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turn13 View Post
    1987, Bill Elliott ran 212 at Talladega and Mario had the pole at Indy with a 215. NASCAR isn't that fast again yet, and IndyCar isn't that slow now.
    Difference was you didn't have the internet and internet trolls to discuss the awfulness of the situation and how things in Indycar had "reached critical mass"
    I'd rather have 10% of the world interested in the ICS than 50% of US that NASCAR currently has

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimmyZ1 View Post
    Difference was you didn't have the internet and internet trolls to discuss the awfulness of the situation and how things in Indycar had "reached critical mass"
    So you think things are hunky dory? Anyone who doesn't think things "are critical" in IndyCar is uninformed. Ernest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest Miller View Post
    So you think things are hunky dory? Anyone who doesn't think things "are critical" in IndyCar is uninformed. Ernest
    Don't worry, ambig88 has it under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turn13 View Post
    1987, Bill Elliott ran 212 at Talladega and Mario had the pole at Indy with a 215. NASCAR isn't that fast again yet, and IndyCar isn't that slow now.
    Of course. This year NASCAR deliberately slowed their cars at Talladega with restrictor plates while INDYCAR deliberately sped up their cars for qualifying with added boost numbers that were not permitted for the actual race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenelopePitstop View Post
    Of course. This year NASCAR deliberately slowed their cars at Talladega with restrictor plates while INDYCAR deliberately sped up their cars for qualifying with added boost numbers that were not permitted for the actual race.
    What is your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest Miller View Post
    So you think things are hunky dory? Anyone who doesn't think things "are critical" in IndyCar is uninformed. Ernest
    Meh

    There are things that worry like any true fan but its not close to critical mass.

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    Does anyone remember when Bobby Issac held the closed track record for speed back in the 1970's while running a stock car? It seemed to really tick off Bobby Unser who wanted to pack up his Indy Car(I forget who he was driving for) and go get the record back for open wheel cars. Ernest

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