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I haven't seen the IBJ article, I would also like to see it.
My point is that the number you quoted was included in the RM piece and he specifically stated the IMS improvements were included in that number.
Either way it's still a significant loss contributed to the IRL, even if the number you quoted wasn't necessarily accurate.
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Regarding the extra costs for the aero kits, when you change the car's aero etc. you are automatically requiring the teams to spend extra money to test.
The shocks will all have to change or be rebuilt. There are a number of added costs when your changing the entire aerodynamics of the car.
Not to mention the fact that any Dallara spares are automatically obsolete.
IMO, the biggest reason the owners don't want aero kits is that none of them can afford to run poorly. If an aero kit stinks you run the chance of becoming the 2013 version of Lotus, and none of them want to risk that.
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Perhaps it is $600m, the point however remains that the $600m figure that is repeatedly quoted from the RM article on internet forums as a loss by the IRL, was plainly stated in that very article as including improvements to IMS, not just the IRL.
I have no issues with stating that TG and/or the IRL lost insane amounts of money.
I didn't question the idea of which side had more money (or if they had enough) they could have foolishly thrown at it, even though the combined worth of Mr. Kalkhoven and Mr. Forsythe would have more than covered the $600m.
You are usually a stickler for accuracy and I simply expected you to be a touch more accurate.
Big thing about this Oreca: I can't think of another closed-cockpit CN car at the moment.
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That's why I say let the teams mix and match parts. If they want to use Dallara wing planes with Chevy sidepods, so be it. Once they run out of the Dallara parts then it is no longer an issue.Not to mention the fact that any Dallara spares are automatically obsolete.
I think you're onto something, there. I think it's that in combination with using this as a power play to put a wedge between Randy and the fans.IMO, the biggest reason the owners don't want aero kits is that none of them can afford to run poorly. If an aero kit stinks you run the chance of becoming the 2013 version of Lotus, and none of them want to risk that.
Remember awhile back when Randy said that one of the team owners told him, "You need to stop listening to the fans"?..
When those journalists mentioned that figure, do you remember how much of that included what was spent on the F1 course, the F1 pits, the Media Center, and the Pagoda?
Oops, I see smuff76 already made the same point
$300 million is still a big number, though, and should be instructive to those who suggest spending more for this or that is all we need Doesn't go as far as you'd think . I wonder what the Split cost Roger and Chip?
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If you'll notice, I'm not criticizing the number, I'm criticizing leaving out what the guy who guessed at the number actually included in that total.
I would venture to guess that Champ Car lost well over 100m, probably well over 150m, in their 5-6 year run. Whatever that number is, what Robin Miller did was lump that number in with the purchase price of Cosworth and Pi and print it. Using round numbers lets say they were $50m a piece....... so all of a sudden CC's "losses" are $250m? I don't consider that a very accurate description of what CC "lost."
Cosworth and Pi are both quite profitable I believe...... so is IMS. Neither should be included in any of those numbers associated with the others.
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