Bruton: NASCAR needs more cautions

[Z28]

Jeff Gordon was interviewed on the practice show and was talking about added cautions and said something that should be taken more seriously. he said he grew up racing with heat races and main events and if they want more entertainment that they should adopt that.

And I think he's onto something. The races are generally too long, the cars are legislated to be too equal and the some fans, at some NASCAR has cultivated with lucky dogs and fake cautions and GWC finishes, seem not to have much of an attention span. NASCAR has two races are many tracks what they should try during the first half of the season, so it doesn't interrupt their Chase, is run a couple of weekends with a heat race format as a test. It could even cut down the weekend to a two day show from three as Friday they get no crowd anyway.

Have practice for a couple of hours on Saturday morning and afternoon with the support race, that sets the times for the heats and main on Sunday. You have enough heat races so by the end of the day Sunday you've had 500 miles total. And you end up with 24 cars in the main event. You have four heat races of 50 miles each and take 8 from each, then you have the B main for 100 miles, one mandatory green flag pit stop with those 32 cars to get to the 24 for a 200 mile race. That way you've had 500 miles of racing for the fans, 350 for those in the final 24 race. You pay points and money for each of the three levels, obviously more for the final. You cut down on the start and park in the heat races because teams would get more money for at least advancing to the second round so why not run through a set of tires. You save the teams some money if by only having 350 miles max of racing and the teams that don't run the final spend even less. The cream generally rises to the top and th big teams would be in the final most of the time.

The early races at Bristol, Martinsville, Dover, Michigan and Pocono would be good candidates. And if the idea takes hold they should keep Daytona, Talladega, Darlington, the Brickyard as full length races to create a series of 'majors' like golf or tennis has.

I would then throw in no pit stops under caution, and eliminate all their gimmicks. For the NASCAR way of doing things they would get to promote the heat race winners as a big deal and be yelling on FOX about the transfer spots in every heat. In person it would give a few breaks in the track time to get more people tot he concession stands. NASCAR wouldn't dare take the chance to even experiment with a couple of races to start but it could be a new take on the races.

[Sleepcheap]

So lets follow the time line here....

They added the Lucky Dog to generate excitement

Ditto GWC

Ditto the Chase

Now theres talk of adding fake cautions because the show is starting to bore the fans again

My question for you is this;

Lets just say they run with this idea and say its effective immediately

What do they do to add excitement to the show in 2 or 3 years when fan interest starts to wane again?

And the next time?

And the time after that?

Eventually there will be loopty loops built into the track and mid race field inversions and burn out competitions and God knows what else

Once you start down this road, you are almost forced to keep adding things every time the fans start to lose interest

On a clear and quiet night you can hera Big Bill spinning in his grave

I think a figure-8 race at Daytona would be extremely cool. Certainly interesting.

[PenelopePitstop]

Please provide 3 examples of "crowd please" items that have annoyed you and taken your enjoyment away from the racing experience.

I already did. You didn't comment on any of them at the time.

1) Red/black tires. Yes, it adds to the strategy planning, but what it really does is to artificially slow some of the cars for a portion of the race so others can have a better shot at passing them.

2) The Cottman/Barnhart rule that screwed Helio at Edmonton 2010. Cede the passing lane to the car behind you. Stupid is as stupid implements. BBII kicked that idiotic rule out as one of his first decisions.

3) Push-to-pass. Reduce power then allow one or two minutes of "enhancement" during the race. If we need it so badly, then why were there so many great races earlier this season?

[KevMcNJ]

Red/Black tires.

Not a fan

Make it illegal to take the preferred line in a corner.

BS call

Push to pass..

Silly gimmick that I dont like

Sorry but Im not afraid to say things are stupid when they really are stupid

Like that Hot Wheels ramp at Indy last year?

Really? I guess you liked it better when the Purdue band just rolled a big drum down the front straight before the race LMFAO

Then they will sign a ten-year deal to air their races on an obscure cable channel

Civil Wars cause lots of collateral damage. Took decades for the South to rebuild. Would be funny to see what the Faithful would say if THATS what Bruton said off the cuff



Enjoy your Lap 100 Burnout competiton for those Valuable Sprint Cup Bonus Points.

[PenelopePitstop]

Not a fan

BS call



Really? LMFAO


Civil Wars cause lots of collateral damage. Took decades for the South to rebuild.

Enjoy your Lap 250 Burnout competiton for those Valuable Sprint Cup Bonus Points.

Hitting the hookah a bit early this weekend?

IICS has its share of manufactured excitement, just like NASCAR and F-1. So far I haven't found any of it I like.

YMMV.

[KevMcNJ]

Hitting the hookah a bit early this weekend?

IICS has its share of manufactured excitement, just like NASCAR and F-1. So far I haven't found any of it I like.

YMMV.

Yet you have no problem with just throwing a yellow beacuse some newbies have a short attention span

[PenelopePitstop]

Yet you have no problem with just throwing a yellow beacuse some newbies have a short attention span

I don't watch NASCAR, so I don't care how they do it during their races.

I watch INDYCAR and I detest fake racing. Don't you?

Simple question: Are you glad to see that pushtopass is available for this weekend's IICS contest? Why or why not?

[Jim Wilke]

Q. You said you all want to increase the competition and increase the action and all. Where is the fine line you walk between maybe getting artificial and creating that and improving things?

BRIAN FRANCE: It's a very clear line to us. What we're not going to do are gimmicky things. I've heard we ought to throw a caution every ten laps. That's nonsense. We won't do gimmicky things. But we'll do things that incentivize performance, incentivize wins. That we are open to. The wildcard does that. It does it in an authentic way.

[KevMcNJ]

Simple question: Are you glad to see that pushtopass is available for this weekend's IICS contest? Why or why not?

And I already gave a simple answer.

some fans of some series' dont like the goofy gimmicks and hope they go away eventually

and

some fans of some series' love the goofy gimmicks and hope more get added

BRIAN FRANCE: I. We won't do gimmicky things. But we'll do things that incentivize performance, incentivize wins. That we are open to. The wildcard does that. It does it in an authentic way.

This clown would make one hell of a politician with quotes like that.

Hes lucky his last name is France.

He'd be greeting Walmart customers if his last name was something else

[Turn13]

I don't watch NASCAR, so I don't care how they do it during their races.

I watch INDYCAR and I detest fake racing.

I like the way you talk.

[PenelopePitstop]

I like the way you talk.

Yes, I detest Pushtopass and the red/black mandatoryoptions. Do you like them, or are you going to support that type of 'racing' since it is INDYCAR?

[Turn13]

My theory is that I need to support the series while eschewing support for the gimmicks and supporting instead the more important values like speed and competition. The more successful the series is, the more pure the competition and the more we return to those roots - simply going faster. Stuff like this - the gimmicks, the jacking around, the superfluousity - only comes up when there's a hitch in the gitalong.

[PenelopePitstop]

My theory is that I need to support the series while eschewing support for the gimmicks and supporting instead the more important values like speed and competition.

The series you support has chosen to devalue speed and competition by reintroducing pushtopass, yet you support them for their values regarding speed and competition.

You don't like it, but you support those who chose to implement it.

[cpthornman]

You don't like it, but you support those who chose to implement it.

If we stopped supporting others the second they made a poor decision we would have a pretty crappy society.

[PenelopePitstop]

If we stopped supporting others the second they made a poor decision we would have a pretty crappy society.

What do we get when we continue to support those who make poor decisions?

Remember, some supported Brian Barnhart right up until the season ended last year.

[KevMcNJ]

What do we get when we continue to support those who make poor decisions?
.

Lots of free time on weekends

[Turn13]

The series you support has chosen to devalue speed and competition by reintroducing pushtopass, yet you support them for their values regarding speed and competition.

You don't like it, but you support those who chose to implement it.

It's that way in life, all the time. It's a jungian thing

I live in a great country that sometimes kills innocent people abroad. With drones.

We live in a society that passes laws to control soil erosion, but reveres the Grand Canyon.

It's why I have both a peace pin and the words "born to kill" on my helmet.



I've always pictured you as "Penelope Pitstop" in our previous discussions, but now I am trying to avoid picturing you as that Colonel In drag

What do we get when we continue to support those who make poor decisions?

Experienced decision-makers, along with more information about what doesn't work

Oh, okay, so let's just nobody attend or watch a race until they come back and run fourteen perfect ones in a row - otherwise we're just enabling imperfection Good plan, PP

[cpthornman]

What do we get when we continue to support those who make poor decisions?

I think the magnitude of the decision should weigh in as well.

Remember, some supported Brian Barnhart right up until the season ended last year.

Good point. But I think it's too early to say people are giving RB too much of the benefit of the doubt. Especially when you compare past people in charge to how long they were at the helm and what not.

[PenelopePitstop]

Oh, okay, so let's just nobody attend or watch a race until they come back and run fourteen perfect ones in a row - otherwise we're just enabling imperfection Good plan, PP

I emailed my displeasure with the return of p2p to Indycar. I've expressed it here. Have you told Indycar how you feel, or are you willing to silently accept it?

Are you glad INDYCAR kept Brian Barnhart in Race Control for the entire season last year?

[Turn13]

No, I really didn't think too much about either one.

I usually just focus on who's ahead of who, and how fast they are - and if they can't be faster than last year or ten years ago, I hope they're at least faster tomorrow than they were today.

Works for me

[Indyknut]

So lets follow the time line here....

They added the Lucky Dog to generate excitement

Ditto GWC

Ditto the Chase

Now theres talk of adding fake cautions because the show is starting to bore the fans again

My question for you is this;

Lets just say they run with this idea and say its effective immediately

What do they do to add excitement to the show in 2 or 3 years when fan interest starts to wane again?

And the next time?

And the time after that?

Eventually there will be loopty loops built into the track and mid race field inversions and burn out competitions and God knows what else

Once you start down this road, you are almost forced to keep adding things every time the fans start to lose interest

On a clear and quiet night you can hera Big Bill spinning in his grave

What's next?

Staged events ala WWE wrestling. Controlling the event for effect.

They're already knocking on the door. That series has slowly but surely detached itself from being a serious sport to more of an entertainment event that features race cars. It's about the drivers, their wives, a camera they named "digger" which they then created a cartoon around, other silly nonsense shows shown pre-race that are taking on reality TV show appearances.

[PenelopePitstop]

No, I really didn't think too much about either one.

I usually just focus on who's ahead of who, and how fast they are - and if they can't be faster than last year or ten years ago, I hope they're at least faster tomorrow than they were today.

Works for me

Blissful.

[Turn13]

Blissful would be if I ignored it. Since I simply proportionally rationalize it, I'd describe it more as being absurdly aware than being ignorant.

[PenelopePitstop]

Blissful would be if I ignored it. Since I simply proportionally rationalize it, I'd describe it more as being absurdly aware than being ignorant.

It's their feast - eat heartily. What's to drink? Oh, yeah.

[Turn13]

You do try your best to work in the insults Whether it fits or not And to think, this exchange started with me agreeing with you

[Turn13]

I don't think anyone on here approves of what he said. I'm in 100% disagreement with him.

However, I don't use the opinion of one man as being representative of a racing series, which is what has been happening in the past 3 threads.

So you don't think the guy knows his target audience? That would seem to contradict the notion that it was exactly that which demonstrated that he was so smart

[PenelopePitstop]

And to think, this exchange started with me agreeing with you

We still agree that P2P is unnecessary. We just choose to express our feelings regarding it in different ways.

The rules change came from those who run the series. You know, the engine manufacturers.