It really all depends on what the sanctioning body decides. So a prescription could be a mitigating factor depending on the situation.
It really all depends on what the sanctioning body decides. So a prescription could be a mitigating factor depending on the situation.
^ +1. If you were smart, that is exactly what you would do.Originally Posted by 9rows
I've seen people screwed by errors in the system because they trusted the system and waited too long to seek legal help.
AJ may have taken nothing more serious than Sudafed, but if the lab comes back twice with a false positive, he's screwed.
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If it were a prescription drug that he had a script for and had forgotn to file it with NASCAR, he would have shown them the prescription, he would have gotten yelled at by the Dr. running the program for being an idiot and we never would have heard about it. To me the fact that NASCAR, which traditionally preferes to handle matters behind closed doors, is being so public about this speaks volumes for the seriousness of his transgression.
The "A" and "B" samples are effectively the same. The person provides the sample. It is divided into two parts, an "A" and a "B". The "A" is tested, if it's clean, the "B" is stored. If the "A" comes back "non-negative" (possitive for something) the athlete can request the "B" sample be test to confirm the results. As far as NASCAR (or most other governing bodies are concerned) the "A" sample alone is enough to prove guilt of doping.
Phew - that's good.
The reality is the numbers are dropping yet you call the deal 'ahead of its time'. The only end result that can be drerived from that is the series will be broke 'ahead of its time'.
The guy's got one of those "energy boosters" as a sponsor. Until proven otherwise, I'm keeping an open mind that there could be something in it that tripped the test. I read one article where jimmy Johnson says that he saves a little in the bottom of each jar of the various supplements he takes, just in case.
I'm from a place called the internet. Nothing disturbs me.
While I don't agree with your rush to judgment, at least you've got a handle on the basic facts of the how the process works. The amount of misinformation being advanced out there is just absurd. Allmendinger has zero control over when the B sample test takes place.The "A" and "B" samples are effectively the same. The person provides the sample. It is divided into two parts, an "A" and a "B". The "A" is tested, if it's clean, the "B" is stored. If the "A" comes back "non-negative" (possitive for something) the athlete can request the "B" sample be test to confirm the results. As far as NASCAR (or most other governing bodies are concerned) the "A" sample alone is enough to prove guilt of doping.
Sadly, when you're a cycling fan you get well-versed in doping procedures. At the same time, you lose you willingness to believe athletes when they're caught too.
even legit contamination is seldom an excuse.
The Court of Arbitration of Sport ruled that Alberto Contador likely was the victim of a contaminated supplement. He was still suspended for 2 years
Very true.
Sounds to me that the "A" test has their allowances or the threshold if you will. Very interesting. Can't stop thinking about the percentage that can alter the testing of the Intoxilyzer 5000 for law enforcement testing people under the influence of alcohol. And there is a percentage of error in the event that a subjects's BAC (alcohol) level is mixed with antihistamines (allergy medications) for testing. Those are when those allowances are made by the law enforcement officer. Defense attorneys always try to prove incompetence or mishandling of the test itself by the law enforcement officer as with the phlebotomy test."AJ and all of us at Walldinger Racing respect NASCAR's testing program, and he has requested that his "B" sample be tested as part of the process of getting to the bottom of this," she said. "We will have the opportunity to review all of the scientific data surrounding the test following the "B" sample test, but our understanding is that AJ's test was slightly above the threshold."
Today AJ's "B" sample gets tested. I don't expect the results to be any different. I wonder, if when that happens, we'll learn what specific substance popped the test?
On edit: Test will be at 9am. Results within 48 hours. Thursday or maybe late Wednesday. Result will determine if Dinger races this weekend in Indy or gets indefinitely suspended and have to face a 4-5 month NASCAR recovery program.
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I read somewhere that they would know the results by sundown, or tomorrow morning at the latest. Whether they release them that quickly is another matter. Either way i would guess that a major PR campaign is necessary, perhaps on both sides, in order to get the correct spin and start the 'move forward' process. I can't imagine, either, that the results will vary from the previous findings, but if it was not a recreational drug and AJ's scientistrs are there, there might be an explanation for why certain molecules behaved the way they did when combined with whatever, and maybe a truce is declared based on 'the science.'
I hope AJ gets it sorted out and doesn't take the Mayfield route. It doesn't seem from his statements that he was snorting toot or some other recreational drug, and thus the image impact from using too many decongestants or whatever may not be a death sentence for his career. I hope he takes the rehab route, and sense that Roger will work with him -- Maybe not ever put him in one of his cars again, but maybe he will. Stranger things have happened.
It will be an interesting announcement, for sure.
Sadly, second verse, same as the first.
Penske said Hornish is in the car for Indy and Watkins Glenn while they evaluate how to proceed. AJ's only option is to go through "rehab", which might, as in the case of Lajoie, be an analysis, a 'conversation', and an agreement to be tested randomly for two years. It was pretty fair and straight forward.
AJ needs to come out and admit what he's taken to stop all the speculation. Confess everything now and be forgiven sooner and get back in a car before he is completely blackballed.
Sure wish they would tell us exactly what was in his system.
Legally, they cant.
Thats up to AJA.
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Privacy issues? I did hear it was a stimulant. A.J. claims he was barely over the threshold and is claiming it was due to a manufacturing error is a supplement.
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Sample B failed......sounds like he'll be getting a call from old Foyt before too long....
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Sample B failed....
And so ends the racing career of AJ Allmendinger. Never again in a race car, never again at a track.
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Yep. Best A.J. Foyt distances himself from Allmendinger. Urinalysis was the 'nail in the coffin.' Makes me wonder why so many people apply to become a police officer and wind up failing the drug testing during the process. Boggles the imagination.
Never again in a NASCAR race car.And so ends the racing career of AJ Allmendinger. Never again in a race car, never again at a track.
If he can provide clean wee wee I bet he could get seat time in Indy Car.
You know I didn't like the guy but I feel bad for him nevertheless. The reason I didn't like him was because he made a smart-a$$ response a year ago that the only way he would race in IndyCars, is if he was given a ride by Team Penske. He did have a ride with Team Penske and went poof. As if he was really that good to begin with. Didn't like his sarcasm and attitude because I felt he thought he was better than everyone. God only knows what drug he used. Could be uppers, downers, Ecstasy, or anything.
why? nobody knows what he tookAnd so ends the racing career of AJ Allmendinger. Never again in a race car, never again at a track.
There is nothing preventing 'Dinger from announcing what he tested for. My benefit of the doubt is waning.
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To me, this is a bit of a cop out. Other sports seem to have gotten around this "privacy" issue. That NASCAR almost never announces the specifics of any rules infraction tells me that they've just never gotten a handle on the concept of transparency.
Again, it's an illegal drug and they know exactly what it is. They are not going to ruin a guy's career over too much caffeine or on OTC supplement. No way. I told you exactly what is going to happen and it did.
AJ has chosen to not admit anything, instead, we get double-talk from his PR lady. It's time to stop being naive, AJA is a drug user, he put his fellow competitors and his own safety at risk, he did irreparable damage to his reputation and career and hurt those who care about him. Period.
I hope he gets help, admits exactly what he has done and is able to race again. It will not be in NASCAR though. Ugh...
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Before I crucify A.J. in a Mayfield style, it is probably wise to wait until someone announces what the substance was that led to the test results. Until that happens condemnation is speculative at best. That said, if the testing policy and criteria is as clear as it's positioned, there is very little wiggle room for he and his PR folks.
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