B. The dumbest part of your post is trying to say Indycar drivers only push for the 500. OF COURSE there going to push for the 500 just like cup drivers for Daytona and F1 for Monaco is the signature race. What do you expect? The rest of the year obviously you don't feel like this but the racing has been great. But point racing does happen. Personally I think it takes greater precedence in NASCAR over F1 and Indy but our drivers still have to be aware of it. And that's going to affect how they race.
I'd rather have 10% of the world interested in the ICS than 50% of US that NASCAR currently has
But with that being said I don't think these are bad ratings as others have pointed out. There the same ratings. Nothing more or less. Like I said in another thread if RB gets the HG family to open the pocket book big time, I hope one of the things they do is re work the TV contract to permit NBC to broadcast some of the races that our currently on NBCSN.
Thanks for the clips Gonzo. Seeing the Penske and Lola reminded me of how beautiful those cars were. No matter how well it races and how hard I try to like it, the DW12 looks like a fat *ssed sled on TV. Television is a visual medium; why couldn't Dallara have given us beautiful cars to watch?
That didn't used to be the case. It used to be F1 was quicker on the turns therefore road courses, and IndyCar was quicker in a straightline therefore ovals.
It's no longer the case. IndyCar is just slow and it isn't fooling anybody. Did you see how few people there were in Toronto? That place used to be one of the hotbeds for IndyCar racing and its practically dried up and gone now.
Keep fooling yourself T13. It isn't doing anybody any good. You go watch one of those Audis scream by on the Mulsanne straight and tell me IndyCars are the fastest on ovals. Did you see Silverstone and those high speed sweepers? IndyCar would get smoked if either of those cars ever hit an oval.
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
I used to watch Indycar races almost always live. Especially with ABC, I began to put more and more races on TiVo, and then fast forward to the "good" parts after reading a race report. Now, I rarely bother to TiVo a race on ABC, I just can't stand the broadcast team (I include the directors, who could broadcast the demolition of a bridge and miss the main explosion), they completely ruin watching a race. If you take me alone, ABC has driven my "rating" to ZERO.
Our guys are always going to push hard but trying to compare Indy to the rest of the season is silly in IMHO.
I'm done arguing this with you. You've made it very clear that you feel the product that has failed. I feel the product is great and we have other issues. Nothing is going to come out of this because your not going to get me to remotely agree with you, much like me getting you to change your opinion that the product has failed.
I don't think the crowd in Toronto was any smaller than it has been the last couple of years. I did notice many first time fans wandering around asking for directions.
My question would be with ratings, what is the relationship between the number of people that will devote 2 hours to watch a race on TV, and the number of people who will actually go to the effort to go to a race. When you only have 400,000 in the country who will go to the effort to watch the race on TV, how do you expect large crowds to show up at a race. That is only an average of 8,000 people per state watching on TV. My guess would be in any sport that more people will watch it for "free" on TV than pay money to go in person.
-St. Pete - Great crowd.
-Birmingham - Great crowd.
-Long Beach - Great crowd.
-Brazil - Great crowd.
-Indy - Extraordinary crowds.
-Belle Isle - OK crowd.
-Texas - Great crowd.
-Milwaukee - Much better than '11 and enough to sign on for three more years.
-Iowa - Great crowd
-Toronto - OK but not great crowd.
The relative 'stinkers' are street courses.
Television ratings are roughly the same as they have been for over a decade.
It is my belief the expectations of those screaming the loudest far exceeds what is reasonable to expect. The new car has far exceeded what most expected in terms of quality racing and the points battle this season has a welcome new look.
My biggest problem with this season is that it is too short.
-The Residing in 2012 Disciple of INDYCAR
Ya lost me at Texas....."Great Crowd" .....really?
Well if that cloud passed over.
The reason INDYCAR ratings are at issue is they started a little low at the split time frame and have gone down to where we are now. But in that span of time the things people said were desperately needed; one series, turbos, new car, adding some road courses, a 50/50 schedule, Danicamania, a Danica victory, THE NEW GUY IN CHARGE who wasn't Tony George and even more all happened. Shouldn't there have been some uptick from the combination of all those?
And it's not just ratings. In 2001 when they started to go to Kansas and Chicagoland the stands were really well populated. Don't cite the Track packs when it was INDYCAR fans who wanted them eliminated. The attendance dropped annually. The attendance never came around at any ISC track, Kentucky and they all disappeared. Milwaukee hasn't seen a full house in 15 years and one as dark. We're going through a period now wanting to get 19 races for 2013 but having trouble finding permanent tracks that are willing to cough up the million+ dollar sanctioning fee. Not because they dislike the racing bu because they don't think they can fill enough seats.
the TV ratings are not some odd occurrence that isn't reflected in every other aspect of the sport, they're a symptom of what's going on and all the things that need to be done will be shown as effective by among other things those ratings going up.
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By what metric? Just about every critical comment I have read here has been subjective based upon whatever bias those nattering on hold. Relative to just about anything else that sells tickets, it is, in fact, great.
-The Heaping Helping of Actual Reality Disciple of INDYCAR
-That crowd was larger than any NBA game.
-That crowd was larger than any NHL game.
-That crowd was larger than most MLB games.
-That crowd was larger than most NFL games.
Again, the dismissive assessment of most is highly subjective. Comparisons to utopian days of yore is also not only subjective but pointless. Every seat has never been filled at that venue for IndyCar.
Here is a constructive suggestion: If it is as 'lousy' as obsessed critics complain, what gets the numbers higher?
My thoughts are that IndyCar needs to lose its pompous attitude, particularly regarding 1.5 mile ovals, jacking the schedule around and a propensity in particular of poking Eddie Gossage with a stick whenever they get a chance....and Eddie needs to cultivate thicker skin and work as hard as he used to sell tickets simply because he is a fan of the genre and has a long history with it. The old-married-couple bickering I am seeing in that relationship is inexcusable.
-The Marriage Counseling Disciple of INDYCAR
The problem wasn't the crowd in absolute numbers; it was the image presented to viewers flipping past of an event nobody cares about, combined with a downward trend, even if a fairly gentle one. We can discuss how big of a problem those two factors are, but it's a tough sell to claim they aren't a problem at all.