Just been noticing a theme to RHR lately (besides him winning), seems like he has been chopping guy and blocking, but I could be wrong. Sometimes tv does not give the best angle to view racing, especially on street courses. Am I imagining things or is he starting to drive a little dirty? He is winning, I will give him that and I don't mind aggressive driving if it is clean. Thoughts? Please no attacks, just let me know if I am on the money or not.
No one is complaining so he's probably not even close yet.
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I don't know if you watch Formula 1 but that is blocking to a tee. Pagenaud's move was blocking. A lot of people throw blocking about around here when people are just defending their position hard. Not saying you, but there are people here who are guilty of it.
I haven't heard any drivers complain or scene anything that I thought was sketch. I think he's just racing hard to the full extent of the rules.
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He could be driving dirty. Some drivers will refuse to wash their uniforms as long as they're on a winning streak. after 3 wins RHR could be fairly aromatic.
I know he cut off Briscoe at Belle Isle -- yes, there was ABOUT to be a pass -- and he was agressive defending from TK when he was under attack in Toronto. I don't think either warranted a penalty, but definitely aggressive defending
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I would consider Dario's defensive driving on lap 200 of the Indy 500 much worse than either of these. I don't think RHR is doing anything different than what the other front runners are doing. You are able to defend your position on road courses again this year and I don't think RHR has been dangerous, so I have no problems at all.
I do think RHR's driving on the final restart of Toronto was questionable. He was all over the place.
In Iowa Jr Hildebrand had obviously the best car. His race ended on an attempted pass on RHR. While it seemed JR may have shaved it to close, mostly becasue he was so much faster. But, RHR did infact move down some.
It seems to me that since they have removed the hold your line rule that blatant blocking has gotten a little silly. Probably why the rule came down the first time.
That was what prompted this for me. I thought some of his passes on ovals were chops as well. When I was in Texas live I didn't notice anything however. Just wondered how much was tv.
IndyCar is back to the way it should have been all along and I applaud (the new) BB for making it that way. You get one move to defend your position. It's not blocking until you make a second move.
The old rule of having painted lines and needing to pick a lane and let anyone go by was so incredibly stupid it boggles the mind.
Faster,faster,faster,faster, faster.........oh &%@*, too fast.
He certainly took an "interesting" line in the corner that started the whole Bourdais, Kimball, Conway wreck.
I havent heard any other drivers complain about how RHR races (Other than Briscoe last year at Barber and that was a dumb move by RHR). I havent heard any complaints this season and im sure he does that grey area block/chop that just about all of them do but nothing blatant.
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True but also everyone else was all over the place which created the chaos. I dont think anyone else was all over the place more than Charlie Kimball on the last restart but it was his chance at glory and he appeared determined to race dirty if need be and I understand that from a young driver so I really dont knock him for that and he didnt cause an incident so its all good.
I think the issue comes from the vague definition of a block. Knowing you maybe passed in a certain part of the track and entering the straight and you go to the low line is one thing, that's defensive. To make a violent move at the end to "block" is another. I think the problem most people have is the cowardness of situations like that. Your faster than me and I can't handle that so I'll swerve in front of you.
Here's my issue. The early lap blantant blocks is a little much. You haven't even made a pit stop you're in 15th place and you're throwing blocks? The white flag is waving and it's a fight for the win, take the gloves off. Otherwise there could be a little more "love" on track.
Last edited by Supertuner; 07-12-2012 at 12:10 AM.
I didn't see the Toronto race, but he chopped the hell out of Briscoe at Detroit. I thought he had gotten a penalty fot that, but I guess I was wrong. Making your car wide is one thing, but forcing a guy to lift or crash is another.
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Per trackforum rules, unless will power declares him a dirty driver, he's not yet.
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I always race him clean, and he always races me dirty.
If some of you had your way this would become rich guy sports car racing - for god's sake here is an idea, let the guys police themselves and quit whining to a steward or whining on Twitter. The more and more we have rich kids that spent the early part of their career racing for their rich dad or bought their ride, and came up racing in series that are comprised of 20 other rich kids the more they think that they need rules or an official to protect them. And unfortunately we are accommodating them,leading to more silly rules. The idea that anyone thinks that RHR is a dirty driver because he might have chopped somebody on a pass is totally absurd. Every driver from Fangio to Foyt has made mistakes. If mistakes became a habit that was dealt with driver to driver not via social media or arbitrated by an official or a message board. Here's how we lose the common fan - when we show a replay over and over and ponder - well, did he have the turn? Did driver X turn into him. Cue the soccer stretcher.
That's not really the rule. You don't get one move to defend your position if your "one move" is in reaction to where the guy behind you places his car. Your move has to be proactive and not reactive, which is what Barfield keeps explaining.
As a ChampCar fan, I was glad to see RHR get a full time ride after CC died.
But Geeze, he sure has rubbed me the wrong way in several interviews since. I want to really like and support him, but I remember after NH last year when Servia passed him under the Barnhardt Mystery Rain lap, RHR laid into Servia like Servia was on crack for thinking that he won just because he passed him under a green flag and RHR spun his tires. Then also earlier this year at LB when RHR took out Sato, I can't remember if he did the 'not my fault' or something else, but I was again left with the disappointment.
I hope that Power, Pagenaud, Servia, or Bourdais trounce him the remaining races this season.
Just because Will Power and some times Dario Franchitti blocks doesn't mean every good driver has to
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Compared to anyone else? Not really. These guys are using their right to defend on on occasion doing some moving (Toronto restart where he reacted to Bourdais) But its certainly not been eggregious. Let 'em race.
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