Let me guess - it's a Smart TV with all the bells in whistles?Originally Posted by Disciple
Let me guess - it's a Smart TV with all the bells in whistles?
The reality is the numbers are dropping yet you call the deal 'ahead of its time'. The only end result that can be drerived from that is the series will be broke 'ahead of its time'.
Can you provide some data showing this?
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they should run Indycar and Nationwide together a couple times a year. Events that Indycar runs alone without Sprint Cup are:
Iowa
Road America
Chicagoland
Iowa
Montreal
I'm pretty sure 90% of this board begs to go back to Road America, Chicago, Iowa and would love Montreal.... why not do it? Get past the NASCAR vs INDYCAR part.... If Indycar is so much better, than hopefully they could convert some tin top fans when they race the same weekend..... I know this topic was raised with high-level (C-level) execs at NASCAR and INDYCAR recently and NASCAR said they were open to the idea, INDYCAR said "HECK NO"
I plan to be there as part of a party of 3. Just 7,997 to go. I think some Texas Pete hot sauce may improve the taste of the keyboard slightly.
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I think in fairness, some of the short tracks the Trucks ran in the early years shut down. Others were real small...more like "Winston Weekly Racing Series" tracks. In those cases, some of them didn't have a proper pit area, etc. I remember at least one place they have to put out the red flag, open up the opening in the retaining wall, just to allow the trucks to go back to the garage and change tires.
Notwithstanding those few instances...the Trucks are popular enough to have their own identity. It's fading away.
Actually, that wasn't a problem the first few seasons as pit stops weren't allowed. ALL races were red-flagged at the halfway point for teams to change tires, refuel, make adjustments, etc. It was a 10 minute break IIRC.
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Cost saving move so all the new start up teams didnt have to hire extra warm bodies to do pit stops. Also helped level the playing field against someone showing up with Cup team pit crews who could rip a pit stop off several seconds quicker.
Returning to the short tracks could work if the Brainiacs running the sanctioning body were as smart as they like to think they are.
The World of Outlaws run their entire schedule on short tracks and fill the stands every night.
Alot of the time they even run on weeknights.
Aint no reason why the trucks couldnt run one day shows at some of the more modern short tracks
The teams are barely scraping by yet they are required to hang around the track for 2 or 3 days
Heck Todd Bodine is basically running week to week or month to month and hes a threat to win every week
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This is where the ruling class says, "Well, if WoO is so great how come they aren't on TV."
WoO knows exactly who their audience is and does a pretty good job of selling that audience what they want.
I would say the same is clearly true of NASCAR as well. It just happens to be the largest audience the USA can muster for auto racing.
Hey I actually like this idea!
Why not do it in ICS?
I think if NASCAR ran some mid-week truck races you know Cup drivers would show up since its an off night for them. Theyd get eyeballs since no other races would be scehduled on a Wednesday or Thursday. The series needs several big tracks on the schedule. But several one night stands at some of the nicer short tracks would work I bet. Wouldnt hurt to make sure one or two of the local hot dogs get seats to help with the front gate just like Winston Cup did 30 or 40 years ago
Maybe it was a good idea in 1997 or 98 to fill the schedule with Superspeedway events that took three days to run.
But the business model has changed dramatically
Estimated attendance for Saturday's Nationwide race was 25,000.
http://www.jayski.com/nationwide/nationwide.htm
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Nope, not at all. It's exactly what they should be doing. THAT would be an actual cost-savings though... not one of those nascar cost-savers that get more & more expensive as time goes by.
25,000 was at least 10,000 too high and that's from being there and driving right in and right out.
The Truck series generally runs a one day show. They also lost several smaller venues that do not have Cup races including, PPIR, Memphis, Nashville, Gateway, Milwaukee and Mansfield. They didn't run at Chicagoland until 2009 I think when they paired with INDYCAR. In 2011 when INDYCAR disappeared from the CS schedule was the first time they ran Friday as a NASCAR triple header in September. This is the first year they paired with NNW in the Summer.
The most recent reports seem to show both NASCAR and ISC making money so even with the small crowds for the undercard series' they're not suffering, tracks seem to be able to pay the sanctioning fees and make out. And most of the races seem to find title sponsors.
The fault for the smaller crowds for both the Trucks and Nationwide series rests with the way NASCAR started it's rapid climb back in the 90's. They emphasized, as they do today, the Cup series. They still have good crowds most places for Cup, even if they have empty seats built when things were strong and they wrongly thought the climb would never end. But because so much of the focus was on Cup what they ended up doing was not creating more race fans or more NASCAR fans they just created more Cup fans. And the interest for most does not trickle down (the same as economics) to the NNW and CWTS and it sure doesn't filter over to the IICS. That's why when you bring up racing to people they immediately think NASCAR Sprint Cup and anything else has to be explained to be NNW, CWTS or IICS.
If NASCAR/ISC had a wider perspective on what could be they would shift their focus and instead of trying to make so much out of and off of Cup racing NASCAR would crank up the hype machine for their other two divisions and ISC would use their might to get and promote INDYCAR races they would generate more revenue on more days and more places. But even more than IMS/INDYCAR, NASCAR is very conservative and unwilling to reach beyond their comfort zone to try new things.
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