...we used to be grateful for any race that showed on television? And usually it was delayed, and/or heavily edited...
...we used to be grateful for any race that showed on television? And usually it was delayed, and/or heavily edited...
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Imagine the complaining this bunch would have done if they lived beck then. Our parents were right.....we have it too good.
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"Let's leave the race for a while to go to the Duke Kahanamoku surfing classic. Still to come, the World Figure 8 Championship from Islip, NY..."
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You can look at it two ways:
1. We probably need to go back to those times and have fans learn the value of patience and appreciating what you have.
2. Just because we should appreciate what we have doesn't make valid criticisms and ask for improvement.
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Hey, great memories, those. I watched a show the other day about Jim McKay and it turned out that the three events he condiered the most important were the Kentucky Derby, the British Open, and the Indy 500. An interesting program...it's running on HBO this month, catch it if you can.Originally Posted by mdkiel
I love Figure 8 racing. The motorized equivalent of professional wrestling. Made a lot of dough helping run those races back in the day. Wish we ran em at the Fairgrounds, we'd solve all our money problems with the kind of crowds we'd bring in.
Meanwhile, back to the Rex Mays Classic at Milwaukee State Fair Park, where rookie Rick Mears leads...
...."Meanwhile, back to the Rex Mays Classic at Milwaukee State Fair Park, where rookie Rick Mears leads..."
..."don't forget we still have Bill Fleming standing by at the Cliff Diving Championships in Acapulco..."
In those days remember as well that cable TV was barely getting wired in New York city and virtually nowhere else in the country. There were 3 broadcast networks so the odds of anything but really major college football, the NFL and the MLB game of the week getting any airtime was pretty slim. And when they did cover races it wasn't with 15 cameras either, no network was going to spend big money stringing cable around a speedway for the few highlights they were going to be showing.
"You can't arrest those guys, they're folk heroes"
"They're criminals"
"Well most folk heroes started out as criminals"
Sure, but the current fans are all about 1% appreciation and 99% whiney little girl.
Which fans would those be? You seem to love repeating that mantra lately.
It makes you look like a bitter man to say that. Accorse the fans are not to blame but you don't know that.
.....right off of your head
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Little did we realize what would happen to racing when the media monster took over with their gimmicks etc. to try to interest people into watching. All they really have suceeded in doing is dumbing down the sport to the point of being a media circus instead of being a competition. That's my opinion anyway. YMMV!
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This thread reaks of old, bitter peoples. Even my Grandparents don't complain as much as this crowd, and they grew up on dirt farms.
I remember and also remember what sanctioning body helped make that happen.
Uch...the track at Islip, NY.
I've seen better looking garbage dumps.
ABC's coverage today isn't changed much from 35 years ago. The biggest difference is they don't wear the yellow blazers anymore.
Now back to Lake Placid for the world barrel ice jumping championships.
The Ayn Rand of Indycar
No one had to badge the Offy.
Im sure Im not the only one that was totally engrossed in a show back then and mom and dad would be going somewhere so I would have to turn it off because I was too young to stay at home
And Id turn the show off and get ready to leave knowing I would never see it again because VCRs were still 15 years away and DVR was 30 years away
Imagine how much better off many if not all short tracks would be in 2012 if there wasnt racing avaialble on TV and the internet 24/7
Until we got a VCR in the house when I was 18 I simply didnt/coulndt see race cars in action from September or October until Mid February.
All you could do was pull out a book or magazine on racing to feed your racing addiction
It was a big thrill some years if dad and I went to the racing movies show the local racing guy would have at a fire house or Elks Club every January.
Just watching the short movies he shot at all the local tracks was a big event back then.
He still does it, but I have no idea how many people go now
Faster than a bullet from a gun
He is faster than everyone
Quicker than the blinking of an eye
Like a flash you could miss him going by
No one knows quite how he does it but it's true they say
He's the master of going faster. -George Harrison
Are you saying the older posters hear aren't part of the B&Ming? That doesn't seem correct to me at all.
In fact, I'm pretty sure none of the younger posters have blamed rear engines or the USAC/CART split for the sport's troubles. It wasn't the young'uns complaining about the ad signage in the grass at IMS this year. Or the grass needing cutting
Or what they call the GD Open Championships in the TV guide!
Whats a TV Guide?
I think whiny girls would and should be offended!
The ones who complain all the time, which are many. You couldn't figure that out for youreself?
I'm not the one complaining about the series all the time. I'm one of the few that's enjoying the racing.It makes you look like a bitter man to say that.
What's an "accorse?"Accorse the fans are not to blame but you don't know that.
The fans are to blame...... for everything. All they had to do was support cart and the IRL and there is no telling how big it could be today. Instead they boycotted and badmouthed.
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... back in the day man, back in the day!
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They just B&M about different things. Those who never got to see the races don't seem to be the ones complaining non stop about the coverage. Sure it's terrible, but it's a lot better than not having it at all.
The point is, if you took today's complainers back to 1969 when they couldn't see but a race or two a year, I think they would complain a little less about how we have it now. You know, you couldn't see the Indianapolis 500 at all in 1964 unless you were there.
A lot of today's fans probably think the motors have always been in the rear.In fact, I'm pretty sure none of the younger posters have blamed rear engines or the USAC/CART split for the sport's troubles.
They are used to having products jammed in their butts because they grew up with signs and commercials everywhere. They think that's the way it's always been and how it's supposed to be. I hate it too, but it is what it is. You might have noticed that all the complaining didn't change it.It wasn't the young'uns complaining about the ad signage in the grass at IMS this year.
I wouldn't blame the fans for everything as there have been decisions from TPTB over the years that have contributed to this mess, but the fans have certainly played their part; whether directly or indirectly.
How many problems could we possibly have if the fans had enthusiastically supported both series? Insteads, they boycotted, badmouthed and hated.
Attendance fell, ratings fell, and sponsors lost interest. Champcar went broke and Indycar had to spend a rumored hundreds of millions of dollars just to stay in business. How much of that would have happened if the fans had supported the sport and told their friends about it?
When TNN came along I thought life couldn't get any better. I got up early every Sunday to watch Rick Benjamin on Raceday. Getting all that motorsports news in one thirty minute shot was intoxicating.
Hes the host on Sirius every M-F from 11:00 to 3:00
Lots of knowledge in that head
Too bad they paired him up with Chocolate Myers
So, you think a company should blame the customer for not liking the product(s)?...
Please re-take Business 101.
"You know what the trouble about real life is? There's no danger music." - Jim Carey
More like fans can blame their fellow fans (or themselves) for being idiots
After all, the fans in increasingly dwindling numbers since 1976 have clearly stated all they want is all-Americans from all around the world driving non-winged racecars with wings and turbos with airboxes racing on ovals exclusively with a diverse variety of track types including 440-yard high-school cinder tracks and inside multi-level downtown parking garages on a limited duration, year-round schedule while imitating NASCAR but not doing anything NASCAR does.
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The supposed customers don't like anything anyway. That's why you can't consider what they say under any circumstances. You have to consider what's best for the sport, and any time you get away from that to appease the unappeasable, it's a mistake.
If they're actually watching and actually attending than they are actual customers.
Isn't it odd that you're a fan too... yet you want them to do what YOU want them to do. You must be a SuperFan, or something.
Without the fans it would have ended decades ago. Without the fans there is no money from outside the sport.
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