The Dark Knight Returns. (no spoilers!)

[Sea Fury]

I thought Batman Begins was twice the movie the Dark Knight was but with Heath Ledger dying just before it opened it wasn't cool to point out that his portrayal of the Joker was one dimensional and uninspired.

They also didn't point out that because....well, it was brilliant and you're just wrong about it. But we needn't get into that right now.

[Danske]

I watched the tv show every day as a kid... and have a question: How did this thing get so dark & sinister anyway?

The Adam West series? That was way out there on the silliness spectrum even before the comic world went through the Dark Age in the 80s and 90s. The comic Dark Age pretty much started with "The Dark Knight Returns" in 1986, which the movie lifts several elements from.

[Frank Capua]

They also didn't point out that because....well, it was brilliant and you're just wrong about it. But we needn't get into that right now.

I don't agree with you but we are talking about pure opinion here so neither one of us is wrong... Just know that when I watched it I found it to be one dimensional and uninspired. Something that comes from the individual viewer and the emotion conjured up by a work of art.

[Gomer Simpson]

It was visible in a couple of scenes. (How could it NOT be?)

David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear in 1983. I think Chris Nolan could pretty easily us CGI to erase the Sears Tower or replace it with something that looks different.

Watch Superman: The Movie sometime. Count the number of times you see the Statue of Liberty, the World Trade Center, and the Empire State Building in Metropolis!

Can't say that I'm really a Superman kind of guy.

[Frank Capua]

Can't say that I'm really a Superman kind of guy.

We already knew that.

[BADGER]

I thought Batman Begins was twice the movie the Dark Knight was but with Heath Ledger dying just before it opened it wasn't cool to point out that his portrayal of the Joker was one dimensional and uninspired.

Wow, big difference of opinion here. Ledger blew away Jack Nickolson (acting as Jack) as the joker and I though his performance was amazing. He nailed the wacky crazy evil villian like no others. The academy was similarily impressed.

As for why so dark in theme, the comic has has been this way for 15 years (or longer), so these movies were actually very true to the comics. I think the series ranks up there among the greatest hollywood trilogies.

[Frank Capua]

Wow, big difference of opinion here. Ledger blew away Jack Nickolson (acting as Jack) as the joker and I though his performance was amazing. He nailed the wacky crazy evil villian like no others. The academy was similarily impressed.

I'm not comparing Jack and Heath... I agree with you in that comparrison. I'm comparing the first in the current series to the second film.

Maybe it's to soon to give an honest opinion of the Dark Knight?

[Gomer Simpson]

I don't agree with you but we are talking about pure opinion here so neither one of us is wrong... Just know that when I watched it I found it to be one dimensional and uninspired. Something that comes from the individual viewer and the emotion conjured up by a work of art.

Yeah, but your opinion sucks, so where does that leave us?

[Frank Capua]

I apologize for not being won over by all the death induced hype over a drug addled actor who thought the next high was more important to him than caring for the child he Fathered.

Yeah... I can be dark if that's what you want.

[Gomer Simpson]

Apology accepted.

[Gomer Simpson]

I just finished up watching The Dark Knight on DVD. It's definitely obvious that it was filmed in Chicago, but it's still not as in-your-face as The Dark Knight Rises being filmed in New York. I still don't understand why they would want Gotham to look so much different in 2 movies. Personally I think Chicago makes a better Gotham.

I don't think this series is over, despite the claims from everybody involved. I noticed that the guy in TDKR who sentences people to exile on the ice is also in one of the first scenes in TDK. I thought that was a little strange so I looked him up on IMDB and his character is listed as "The Scarecrow". Why would they go to the effort of setting up a new villain in 2 movies if they're not going to use him? I think they have been telling people this is the final installment of the Batman series so that it would be believable when Anne Hathaway went on Letterman and 'accidentally' spoiled the ending (or not).

[Gomer Simpson]

I'll say this about The Dark Knight, as well; the whole cell phone sonar thing is way too hokey and would make this my least favorite edition of the 3 movies. For me though, Heath Ledger's performance really does take it over the top.

[Frank Capua]

I'll say this about The Dark Knight, as well; the whole cell phone sonar thing is way too hokey and would make this my least favorite edition of the 3 movies. For me though, Heath Ledger's performance really does take it over the top.

My opinion of Ledger's performance is colored by the fact that I didn't think the writing or the plot in general was up to the first in the series and the fact that I found Batman Begins more enjoyable. Something else that effected my opinion is that I wasn't impressed with the replacement for Katie Holmes nor the casting of the D.A.

Still it's a little like saying the London Opening Ceremony didn't match China's. There is a lot of room left before that becomes an insult. So far the two movies in the series that I have seen were far better than any of the previous attempts to put the Batman character on film.

[Gomer Simpson]

Yeah, I agree on all counts, though I didn't watch the Opening Ceremony for the London Olympics.

[Frank Capua]

Yeah, I agree on all counts, though I didn't watch the Opening Ceremony for the London Olympics.

Okay... then in that case I accept your apology too.

[Grover]

Why would they go to the effort of setting up a new villain in 2 movies if they're not going to use him?

He's in all 3.

[rodneyh]

He's in all 3.

Yes, he was. It was really more of a cameo to get some laughs from the audience similar to the second movie. Batman has already defeated him.

I read after initial screenings they had improved Bane's audio, in the IMAX I still struggled with a lot of it.

The movie was a slight letdown, that's like ***1/2 from **** expectations level though, simply because the last trailer had blown me away.

The pet peeve as a Structural Engineer is the same thing I always have with nearly everyone. Use the word concrete, not cement. Cement is an ingredient of concrete. Explosives would not be added to cement, it would be added along with cement to concrete. Trucks leaving the batch plant would be carrying concrete

[Frank Capua]

So if I get your drift this problem dates back to the Beverly Hillbilly's cement pond?

[D. Heimgartner]

You ever dance with the devil under the pale moonlight?

[Danske]

He's in all 3.

And to make it clear, Scarecrow is a Batman universe staple, so it's like just including a well-known landmark in the background on purpose.

[Gomer Simpson]

And to make it clear, Scarecrow is a Batman universe staple, so it's like just including a well-known landmark in the background on purpose.

How is the audience suppose to know who he is?

[rodneyh]

If they saw the first movie, they would know who he is. Not sure his name was referenced as “Scarecrow” during the movie, but he had decent sized role in the movie helping the League of Shadows.

Now, iIf they didn’t see the first movie, I think they really would be befuddled with the end of the TDKR anyways. League of Shadows, killed my father, Liam Neeson appears

The intent of his small second movie appearance was the same as the third, a cameo

[rodneyh]

Watch Superman: The Movie sometime. Count the number of times you see the Statue of Liberty, the World Trade Center, and the Empire State Building in Metropolis!

Funny you mention that, since the Man of Steel coming out next year produced by Nolan was of course shot in................Chicago.

The more he does maybe Nolan will eventually be loathed by his fans similar to George.

Although, I think the Teri Hatcher show was pretty much conveying Chicago as Metropolis if I recall ?? so maybe we've seen it as non-NY before in medium

[Gomer Simpson]

If they saw the first movie, they would know who he is. Not sure his name was referenced as “Scarecrow” during the movie, but he had decent sized role in the movie helping the League of Shadows.

Now, iIf they didn’t see the first movie, I think they really would be befuddled with the end of the TDKR anyways. League of Shadows, killed my father, Liam Neeson appears

The intent of his small second movie appearance was the same as the third, a cameo

I've seen the first one but it's been many years. I'll have to go back and watch it. I must say I don't remember his character at all. I still don't get the point of having a supposed villain that isn't introduced as such to the viewers, but I guess I don't follow the comics or anything, so maybe I just don't get it. How did you know that the character portrayed was "Scarecrow"? He looks/dresses like any regular person, does he not?

[rodneyh]

I must say I don't remember his character at all. I still don't get the point of having a supposed villain that isn't introduced as such to the viewers, but I guess I don't follow the comics or anything, so maybe I just don't get it. How did you know that the character portrayed was "Scarecrow"? He looks/dresses like any regular person, does he not?

Go back and watch the first movie, it’ll probably jog your memory

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Sca...illian_Murphy)

He was a big part of the first film

[Gomer Simpson]

Okay then, clearly he didn't dress normal in the first movie. Maybe I'll pick it up and watch again tonight.

[Sea Fury]

Okay then, clearly he didn't dress normal in the first movie. Maybe I'll pick it up and watch again tonight.

Yeah he did. When he wasn't "the Scarecrow" he was Dr. Jonathan Crane, "psychologist" at Arkham.