Neighbors vs. Neighbors

**comfortably numb** · 07-23-2012 02:09 PM

You know, if you could figure out a way to introduce the right amount of Roundup into an irrigation system you would never have to mow.

**SoundMan360** · 07-23-2012 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by comfortably numb

It cuts with lasers.

OMG.... rednecks with big tires and lasers...

What could possibly go wrong?

**Truth Detector** · 07-23-2012 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by fasteddy

At this point I'm just keeping my annuals alive, and the $500 tree I had planted this spring. If TD wants to water his grass, so be it. IMO it's stupid, but that's only my opinion.

oops, I meant perennials.

Thanks?

Why is it stupid?

**Frank Capua** · 07-23-2012 02:35 PM

It's becoming clearer to me why Climate Change never got much of a foothold `round here.

**ventman** · 07-23-2012 02:39 PM

In my neighborhood the covenents require homeowners to keep the lawn from dying.

**Neshaminy** · 07-23-2012 03:32 PM

Here comes another thunderstorm.....sumbi***......I'll be mowing the grass again tomorrow.

**doitagain** · 07-23-2012 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sea Fury

Then your level of self-preoccupation truly knows no bounds.

It happens due to you and a lot of other people being just as selfish as you.

I don't believe we have yet established that any of the water TD is using is diverted from higher purposes such as agriculture, etc., have we?

Do they irrigate soy beans or corn in central Indiana?

**KevMcNJ** · 07-23-2012 04:11 PM

Looking forward to the Neighbors vs Nabors thread.

Hes gettting up there in years, I dont think he can win

**comfortably numb** · 07-23-2012 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by doitagain

I don't believe we have yet established that any of the water TD is using is diverted from higher purposes such as agriculture, etc., have we?

Do they irrigate soy beans or corn in central Indiana?

http://www.agweb.com/article/indiana...s_ground_zero/

**jabba19** · 07-23-2012 04:54 PM

This thread has evolved pretty much like our neighborhood social network has. You have those who water (TD) and those that don't. Then you have some who don't water that want to attack it. Just like our neighborhood, the concern really isn't a lack of water, it is the opinion that watering is stupid. As people see their yard brown up and wish it would rain, seeing a green lawn just irritates some people. When we had a voluntary ban, we had a few brown shirts making sure to point out the apparent "ban" on watering. Some even followed up a week later pointing out that some people weren't following the "ban." They weren't concerned about lack of water, it just makes feel better about themselves to see the green lawns turn brown just like theirs.

**Truth Detector** · 07-23-2012 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sea Fury

Then your level of self-preoccupation truly knows no bounds.

It happens due to you and a lot of other people being just as selfish as you.

Sea Fury has spoken shared his brilliance with the unwashed masses...

I'm going to increase the time on each cycle just for you.

**Neshaminy** · 07-23-2012 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by jabba19

This thread has evolved pretty much like our neighborhood social network has. You have those who water (TD) and those that don't. Then you have some who don't water that want to attack it. Just like our neighborhood, the concern really isn't a lack of water, it is the opinion that watering is stupid. As people see their yard brown up and wish it would rain, seeing a green lawn just irritates some people. When we had a voluntary ban, we had a few brown shirts making sure to point out the apparent "ban" on watering. Some even followed up a week later pointing out that some people weren't following the "ban." They weren't concerned about lack of water, it just makes feel better about themselves to see the green lawns turn brown just like theirs.

I don't think the act would be called stupid, just an unnecessary waste for no practical reason.....and when it's a shared resource practicality enters the fray.......

**Truth Detector** · 07-23-2012 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by doitagain

I don't believe we have yet established that any of the water TD is using is diverted from higher purposes such as agriculture, etc., have we?

Do they irrigate soy beans or corn in central Indiana?

There are no fields in my immediate vicinity that are irrigated.

But some in central Indiana are.

**Sea Fury** · 07-23-2012 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by jabba19

This thread has evolved pretty much like our neighborhood social network has. You have those who water (TD) and those that don't. Then you have some who don't water that want to attack it. Just like our neighborhood, the concern really isn't a lack of water, it is the opinion that watering is stupid. As people see their yard brown up and wish it would rain, seeing a green lawn just irritates some people. When we had a voluntary ban, we had a few brown shirts making sure to point out the apparent "ban" on watering. Some even followed up a week later pointing out that some people weren't following the "ban." They weren't concerned about lack of water, it just makes feel better about themselves to see the green lawns turn brown just like theirs.

Go ask the farmers in your area, or anybody else who requires water for more than vanity, if the drought your region is experiencing is a matter of "opinion."

**Truth Detector** · 07-23-2012 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sea Fury

Every drop he and those like him use for the frivolity of their lawn is a drop that the farmers can't use for the necessity of their crops, or that firefighters can't use for the necessity of firefighting, or that regular people can't use for bathing or drinking water or cleaning. But he'll find that out, along with everybody else who is selfishly WASTING WATER IN A TIME OF DROUGHT, when due to so many self-centered people ignoring the obvious, the voluntary water usage restrictions are forced to become mandatory.

All so a few vain, selfish types can have a pretty lawn.

Oh, ouch. I've been called "selfish" by the great Sea Fury. How will I ever go on.

There are no watering bans because our utility has plenty of water.

People can't take a bath because I water my lawn. That is rich.

How many folks in the great northwest can't boil hotdogs because you washed your precious mustang? Oh the humanity!!!

**Truth Detector** · 07-23-2012 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sea Fury

Go ask the farmers in your area, or anybody else who requires water for more than vanity, if the drought your region is experiencing is a matter of "opinion."

I have friends who collectively farm over 3,000 acres in my very community. They laugh at your righteous indignation. I also called a friend of mine who is an ag lender for Farm Credit Services who laughed and told me there isn't a single grain in Johnson County that won't grow because I'm watering my lawn.

Try again.

**Sea Fury** · 07-23-2012 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

I have friends who collectively farm over 3,000 acres in my very community. They laugh at your righteous indignation. I also called a friend of mine who is an ag lender for Farm Credit Services who laughed and told me there isn't a single grain in Johnson County that won't grow because I'm watering my lawn.

Try again.

Ooh, 3,000 acres. What a cute little farm he must have. I guess that passes for a large plot back there, though, much like those little hills Easterners like to call "mountains."

You're wrong. And if the drought continues much longer, you'll realize how wrong soon enough.

**Truth Detector** · 07-23-2012 05:19 PM

I will have a green lawn and there will be some internet wizard who blames poor crops on me.

I'll go with the opinions of those who know.

**Truth Detector** · 07-23-2012 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sea Fury

Ooh, 3,000 acres. What a cute little farm he must have.

I live in the freaking suburbs. I know big farms. I could take on your attitude and point out that I know big farms better than you do but I won't stoop to your level.

**Sea Fury** · 07-23-2012 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

I will have a green lawn and there will be some internet wizard who blames poor crops on me.

I'll go with the opinions of those who know.

Like I said-you'll find out. Without those rivers and dams that I mentioned, my area would be in the same fix as yours.

Your lawn is a luxury. Soon you'll probably have to let it go when the water usage dictates as much. Or you could exercise moderation and common sense now and do your part to try and prevent that from happening.

Something tells me the latter's not gonna happen, though.

Have a good day.

**jabba19** · 07-23-2012 05:38 PM

So a farmer near Terre Haute is suffering because TD near Greenwood who is getting his water from his water company likely via an aquifer is watering his lawn? Many farmers in central Indiana rely on rainfall, they do not have irrigation equipment to water their fields.

I guess since crops are dying due to lack of RAINFALL, everyone should take an equal sacrafice and let their lawn die too.

**Sea Fury** · 07-23-2012 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by jabba19

So a farmer near Terre Haute is suffering because TD near Greenwood who is getting his water from his water company likely via an aquifer is watering his lawn? Many farmers in central Indiana rely on rainfall, they do not have irrigation equipment to water their fields.

I guess since crops are dying due to lack of RAINFALL, everyone should take an equal sacrafice and let their lawn die too.

Like I said-you'll find out how interrelated these things are.

**doitagain** · 07-23-2012 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

There are no fields in my immediate vicinity that are irrigated.

But some in central Indiana are.

Where do they get the water for those operations? I'm presuming a 3/4" line is a bit small for a 640 acre corn field.

**doitagain** · 07-23-2012 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

There are no watering bans because our utility has plenty of water.

Not even a voluntary one?

Why would there be a voluntary one?

**Sea Fury** · 07-23-2012 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

I live in the freaking suburbs. I know big farms. I could take on your attitude and point out that I know big farms better than you do but I won't stoop to your level.

You live in the suburbs. I live in Oregon farm country. I lived my first 19 years on my grandfather's farm. We had 3 separate properties, totaling close to 10,000 acres. Granted, our operations were on the large side, and one of those properties was on the Washington side. My main responsibility was changing and moving pipe (once I was physically able to drive the pipe truck on the property).

**doitagain** · 07-23-2012 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by comfortably numb

http://www.agweb.com/article/indiana...s_ground_zero/

Thanks!

Seems like it would take an extraordinary effort to irrigate an Indiana cornfield.

**comfortably numb** · 07-23-2012 07:11 PM

More:

http://www.staceypageonline.com/2012...shortage-plan/

**Truth Detector** · 07-23-2012 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sea Fury

You live in the suburbs. I live in Oregon farm country. I lived my first 19 years on my grandfather's farm. We had 3 separate properties, totaling close to 10,000 acres. Granted, our operations were on the large side, and one of those properties was on the Washington side. My main responsibility was changing and moving pipe (once I was physically able to drive the pipe truck on the property).

Yes, I live in the suburbs and I spent the better part of the 80s & 90s traveling around the state examining ag lenders back in the day when farmers were dropping like flies. One of my main priorities was to teach the lenders to see farmers as businessmen. Sounds kind of silly now but back then they weren't considered as such. They were "just" farmers. I have done forensic accounting on farms of all sizes in addition to reviewing accounts of highly successful farmers from all corners of the state. I've spent nearly my commercial bank years lending money to farmers (though admittedly not much anymore).

Still, that doesn't matter as I doubt the farmer in Angola is being affected by my watering my lawn. I mentioned the local farmers because it was relevant and because they are farmed by friends of mine who I can trust for honest answers. Each of them is at least a sixth generation farmer.