Am I the only one who cringes when I hear that?
Am I the only one who cringes when I hear that?
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I know, saw the commercial a few minutes ago and thought the same. $24,900 to start. For that starting price I'd buy a V6 Genesis Coupe with a paddle shifter.
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Well, somebody had to do it someday.
I think that the original Ferdinand Porsche might have something to say about this...
pause, "with D4S direct and port fuel injection technology".
I hate it when people compare Senna with god . . . I mean he is okay, but come on he isn't Senna. . .
To listen to them talk you'd think they built the engine. However the tuner kids all want the Scion over the Subaru for the cleaner looks and the lower list price... I like it because of the bow-tie in the fender vent. I'll just tell everybody it's the new Vega.
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It is not true unless they add the word Gasoline to it. Subaru has had direct injected flat four diesels in cars since 2008.
I saw a Scion and thought it was pretty sporty looking, but for $28k equipped, I would like more performance.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be misquoted and used against you.
Toyota and Subaru are basically banking on the hope that people will test drive the car in spite of some numbers that seem to lag behind the competition. It's apparently a hoot and a half to drive. But if you get caught up in a specific metric (like horsepower to pick the most obvious), then you might pass it over for one of the hot hatch options.
Of course, I'm biased in that I REALLY REALLY WANT ONE.
Last edited by FTHurley; 07-23-2012 at 02:29 PM.
Except the Genesis V6 coupe starts at $28,750 for the 6MT R-Spec and goes up from there (8A is only available on top 2 trims). A 2.0T can be had starting at $24,250. Although admittedly you can get some discount at Hyundai and Scion/Subie dealers will be asking for a premioum for the FRS/BRZ.Originally Posted by Supernova
The only place the V6 Genesis Coupe has it on the FRS/BRZ is straight line acceleration. Handling, braking and fuel mileage goes to the FRS/BRZ. You can be sure there will be more horsepower in the pipeline, but the base model is intended to be affordable (not just purchase price, but INSURANCE) for the mid 20s people.
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Flappy paddles?
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...or_comparison/
The Hyundai finished last.
The Subie gives up 0.2 in the Quarter mile with 74 less HP, thanks mostly to 400 fewer pounds.
It's a beautiful SMALL car. The Mustang looks like a truck next to it.
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Link?
The ads/promos I've seen don't say "first", they say "only", as in the only boxer, front-engined, rear-drive.
In that, are they not right? Aren't the boxer Subaru's front-wheel and all-wheel drive?
Of course, BMW and Goldwing motorcycles are also boxer, front-engined, rear-drive.
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The TV commercials I've seen say, specifically, "the world's first and only horizontally-opposed boxer engine." Which is just flatLink?
The ads/promos I've seen don't say "first", they say "only", as in the only boxer, front-engined, rear-drive.
In that, are they not right? Aren't the boxer Subaru's front-wheel and all-wheel drive?
Of course, BMW and Goldwing motorcycles are also boxer, front-engined, rear-drive.
And don't forget the Valkyrie.
This guy gets it. They aren't saying it's the first horizontally-opposed boxer engine, period. They're saying it's the first horizontally-opposed boxer engine...with D4S direct and port fuel injection technology. There's a really long pause in there that makes it misleading.
Subaru faithful that I know are already calling the Subaru version a flop. High price, no all wheel drive and underpowered (especially for the price)
To a New Yorker like yourself, a hero is some type of weird sandwich. Not some nut who takes on three Tigers!
It must be true. Its on TV.... and Charlie Kimball is the only diabetic to finish the Indy500.... Honda didn't have any blown engines for 6 years... clorax really makes for the whitest whites... etcThe TV commercials I've seen say, specifically, "the world's first and only horizontally-opposed boxer engine." Which is just flat
And don't forget the Valkyrie.
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Thanks for the info because I was considering the Genesis. Too high. Going to wind up buying a used Porsche Boxster S instead.
6th place. I wanted a very economical sportscar but I think it's not going to happen since one has to give up a lot of performance to get the highest fuel mileage. Don't think a new Audi cuts the mustard either since the new ones require premium fuel. A lot of good that does.
Looks pretty good to me. Although Americans will destroy it by buying it with an automatic.
Last edited by RS2; 07-24-2012 at 12:08 AM.
Well, the important thing to consider is that the target demographic will only hear "the world's first yada yada yada...".The TV commercials I've seen say, specifically, "the world's first and only horizontally-opposed boxer engine." Which is just flat
And don't forget the Valkyrie.
It's all about the handling that effects the "Fun To Drive" equation. As for as more power this is Toyota's replacement for the 240SX and they allowed the tuner market to supply anybody's need for more power. I'm sure Greddy is already hard at work.
Oh, you betcha! Japenese tuning company Gazoo Racing already has a prototype package with turbocharger AND supercharger, 320 hp and 310 lb-ft...and of course, the obligatory suspension and body package.
TRD Racing will run up to 4 cars in some European endurance races, so expect some street goodies from them as well. The 2 "Toyota 86" entered in the 24 hr of Nurburgring finished 45 overall/1st in class and 65/6 out of 171! entries.
200 hp equals that of the GTI and the FRS/BRZ weighs less. The biggest problem is that the dealers are sure to add a 'popularity' markup that will send the car over the $30K mark.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...news/120519829
I'm a Subie faithful (2011 WRX) and thinks its a great car. I was told it's faster than my car in a slalom. There will be lots of tuning parts available soon to get more power out of the engine.
I'm usually a "more power" type of guy, but sometimes I can kinda agree with the notion that a car just has the "right" amount of horsepower. The Miata was never a powerhouse, but it's so fun to drive and so well-balanced that it doesn't really matter (people put V8s in them and ruined the handling, but they made power!). The S2000 wasn't tearing up quarter-miles everywhere, but again, it's just a perfect drivers' car.
I owned enough underpowered cars that were well-known for their handling prowess in my younger days (like a few Honda CRXs) to see some truth in the notion that it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow. More power is great when you can use it, but when you have a little car that handles well and you can really wring the engine out without having to be on a track or a deserted stretch of highway, you can have a blast with it every single day.
If you care more about blasting around on curvy back roads in a car where engine and chassis are nicely matched more than you care about doing burnouts and beating V8s from stoplights, it might just be fine the way it is.
That said, if my next car is a Subaru (and it just might be), it's going to be a (used) turbocharged WRX and not the BRZ. But as a new dad, I need something with four doors. Yeah, that's why.
I test drove a BRZ and it is a blast to drive and adding HP would not help much at all, if anything it might hurt the car. If I didn't live in a snow area I would be placing an order for one now and trading in my WRX.
We sold our allotment in 4 days. One thing about this car is it's a purpose built sport car platform, rare these days of platform sharing. The Nissan 350/370z for example was designed from the ground up to share it's chassis across a wide range of vehicles including SUV's. That creates compromise, and pretty much adds weight.
Oh, no no no....this is Toyota's replacement for the 240SX
240SX= Nissan
FT86 (Corolla GT-S) = Toyota
(with maybe a touch of Sport 800 and 2000GT thrown in)
Oh I'm sure there's two sides to the coin. The biggest grumble I'm hearing is the lack of all wheel drive. And I'm sure the aftermarket will have a ball with this package.
I did not know this about the 350/370z. Interesting to say the least.
The G35/37 and, I cant remember which of the ex/fx35 share the platform. Hyundai Genesis noted above of course shares with the Genesis Sedan. Good car, but there are compromises for a platform share.
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