Thanks for your participation at TF. Yes, YOU!!

**Ren Butler** · 07-26-2012 03:10 PM

Not every deleted post was taken out by a mod. If you delete your own, it still remains as a blank post.

Some posts are deleted just because they referenced the infraction. You can't assume that all the blank posts contained something in violation of the forum policies.

**ZUL8TR** · 07-29-2012 09:38 AM

Does anyone remember the beginning of this thread and what it was about?

**mstove** · 07-29-2012 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by doitagain

I think you clearly can see the exact same thing happen with a liberal-favoring tendency on other boards, too. It seems to be a bit of a human idiosyncracy that we tend to coalesce a discussion area one way or another.

I agree completely. Never understood the complaints about that forum being right-leaning (save for some of the comments regarding a past moderator). The same thing in reverse goes on at a music forum I visit. People there trend to the left and folks here to the right. Shocking.

For the first dozen years or so I had Internet I loved talking politics. At some point I got tired of internet debating and stopped. But the change was mine. The moderating at this site is really good and I expect it is on the new ce forum, as well. But, if you take out the choir comment in Indyknut's post I suspect it isn't far from the truth (some of the posts in this thread would seem to indicate that). At least some of the time. That doesn't mean it isn't well run or fair. It just has a significant majority on one side.

**midtown** · 07-29-2012 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by ZUL8TR

Does anyone remember the beginning of this thread and what it was about?

I vaguely remember something about Thanksgiving, then a fight broke out over the wishbone and then the thread went off the rails, a TF tradition.

**Gomer Simpson** · 07-29-2012 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by mstove

I agree completely. Never understood the complaints about that forum being right-leaning (save for some of the comments regarding a past moderator). The same thing in reverse goes on at a music forum I visit. People there trend to the left and folks here to the right. Shocking.

If everybody that complains that the left leaning members are outnumbered would post there instead of complaining about it, conservatives might find themselves outnumbered 2-1.

**mstove** · 07-29-2012 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Gomer Simpson

If everybody that complains that the left leaning members are outnumbered would post there instead of complaining about it, conservatives might find themselves outnumbered 2-1.

I'm not complaining if that was your point.

**Gomer Simpson** · 07-29-2012 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by mstove

I'm not complaining if that was your point.

It wasn't. I was agreeing with you.

**mstove** · 07-29-2012 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Gomer Simpson

It wasn't. I was agreeing with you.

Cool.

**Gomer Simpson** · 07-29-2012 11:53 PM

**RS2** · 07-30-2012 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ren Butler

What do you expect? That's what you get with a TF member who has socialist leanings...

I am a TF member with major socialist leanings. Should I not post there?

**doitagain** · 07-30-2012 05:00 AM

That was sarcasm, in response to the BSG thing. Come on.

**Indyknut** · 07-30-2012 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Ren Butler

I think Gomer just nailed it.

It sounds a lot more as if 'knut is upset that people don't jump on board with his points.

You ignore the point, take it as an attack from the "other" side and then pile on from there. I frankly don't wish to discuss the political talking points of most issues, it's all strongly divisive and both sides do it. It serves no good at all and completely ignores what the real issues are. It's the very reason for political polarization that has ground our country to a halt. Who cares what the other side said or even if it's inaccurate. If one side keeps feeling slighted they need to do a better job of getting their message across. I don't want to talk about the messenger, rather what the message is about and what the solutions are.

**comfortably numb** · 07-30-2012 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ren Butler

Thanks for reading.

I figured I could not possibly misquote any of the parties involved.

**doitagain** · 07-30-2012 12:27 PM

You too Mr. 90.

So, how 'bout that IndyCar forum... purty nice, huh? No??

Racing Biz, Series Direction, everyone see how that works now? We good??

**stnkypete** · 07-30-2012 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by doitagain

Racing Biz, Series Direction, everyone see how that works now? We good??

Thought you were on the right track until this morning.

**doitagain** · 07-30-2012 01:09 PM

Yeah, we did, too.

**Ren Butler** · 07-30-2012 01:46 PM

It's still mostly good here.

**mclarke** · 07-30-2012 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ren Butler

In this thread, it was mclarke001. If you have a problem, take it up with him.

A totally inaccurate and outrageous accusation ! To claim that I am responsible for the heinous crime of taking this thread off-topic and then to encourage another poster to " take it up with him " is reprehensible.

I would complain to the moderator but I am sure that such an action would be pointless, since it is indeed doitagain who raised the issue of the Current Events forum, not once, but four times in the responses which he quoted in Post 4. My original post in this thread, which attempted to make the point that over-moderation and avoidance of controversy can lead to the unintended consequence of excluding some innovative and insightful discussion of opposing positions, was simply a continuation of the issues which DIA had introduced.

I recognize that doitagain has made it clear that this thread should be about him and that in truth, his ego can be a nasty thing, but I refuse to accept being pilloried for a crime which I did not commit. My good name (and it is my good name other than the 001 tacked on to the end) is more important to me than the need to turn the other cheek in these situations.

I simply don't think that overreaction should be the norm around here, except...........................................

**Truth Detector** · 07-30-2012 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by mclarke001@nf.s

A totally inaccurate and outrageous accusation ! To claim that I am responsible for the heinous crime of taking this thread off-topic and then to encourage another poster to " take it up with him " is reprehensible.

I would complain to the moderator but I am sure that such an action would be pointless, since it is indeed doitagain who raised the issue of the Current Events forum, not once, but four times in the responses which he quoted in Post 4. My original post in this thread, which attempted to make the point that over-moderation and avoidance of controversy can lead to the unintended consequence of excluding some innovative and insightful discussion of opposing positions, was simply a continuation of the issues which DIA had introduced.

I recognize that doitagain has made it clear that this thread should be about him and that in truth, his ego can be a nasty thing, but I refuse to accept being pilloried for a crime which I did not commit. My good name (and it is my good name other than the 001 tacked on to the end) is more important to me than the need to turn the other cheek in these situations.

I simply don't think that overreaction should be the norm around here, except...........................................

**doitagain** · 07-30-2012 03:42 PM

Ya got me there, mclarke

**comfortably numb** · 07-30-2012 04:26 PM

I've decided that this thread should be about PHJIndy.

All in favor?

**window** · 07-30-2012 04:32 PM

Naw. Something like that does not deserve unanimity.

**midtown** · 07-30-2012 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by comfortably numb

I've decided that this thread should be about PHJIndy.

All in favor?

h

**skypigeon** · 07-30-2012 05:40 PM

The h's have it!

**Snow61** · 07-30-2012 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Ren Butler

BTW, there was nothing remotely combative in what I replied to Snow. I actually like her. She simply made a mistake thinking that I am bringing CE into other forums. No hostility from her or me. So, please, let us handle it ourselves. Thanks.

I'm just happy to see that someone around here, other than ZUL8TR, actually likes me.

Thanks, Ren.

**doitagain** · 07-30-2012 06:56 PM

More responses:

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I think the forum has improved however I find there are fewer threads, or maybe it is just fewer threads that interest me in the main forum.

Would it be possible to get an invite to the super secret political forum? I miss lurking in there, more so this year with the election.

Thanks!

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I have noticed the departure (maybe temporary?) of several prolific posters who are never satisfied with the series that isn't perfect in their minds. Things seem a little more rational so we'll see. Shedding some people who act like they get 'inside information' that is more like wishes they have that won't be coming true and then when people notice they claim it just didn't work out is a good thing.

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Well, I still enjoy it.

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Yes, I do see a difference in some instances.

It would be a great plus if more of the knowledgeable people would share with us.
Somehow TF hasn't yet appealed to those who can tell us how it really is.

Amusing is the antipathy toward anything related to CART when posted on the board.

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I've been kinda busy the last few weeks, but so far from what I've seen, yeah.

Then again, I haven't seen much, so I guess I could be the Stevie Wonder of the group you're asking here.

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Well, I did notice that some of the usual suspects that post the same stuff over and over haven't posted lately...

Different subject. Any way to get me access to the Current Events forum?

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I guess not.

What have you done?

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As a matter of fact it has been 'different', thank you from a long time lurker. Again, thank you for the effort, but most importantly thank you for just being around for all the years,

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I'd say the mods are interfering a little excessively. Such as the Danica "call" thread, this is primarily an Indycar message board so it's fun to contemplate conspiracy theories. It doesn't harm anybody and I don't think anyone took offense, so why close the thread?

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I don't get in on many discussions, more of a "lurker" if you will, I have noticed some attitude changes in some posters so maybe some posters attention has been gotten.

Thanks for all you do!

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Yes. The NASCAR bashing is at an all time high.

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