Think about it. Both sides, everyone
Think about it. Both sides, everyone
"The series may be hesitant to say it, but the day is here for everybody that loves IndyCar racing to link arms and help each other out. Anybody who doesn’t want to do that needs to find something else to do with their time.”
-- Eddie Gossage, President, Texas Motor Speedway, ICONIC Advisory Committee & TrackForum member
I cannot speak for anyone else, but the bricks are a sacred deal to me, as is the rest of the Indianapolis 500, regardless of who is racing or who has sanctioned the race.Originally Posted by doitagain
Think about it. Both sides, everyone
While I do find IMS to be a very special place, I have to look at it realistically.
It's just a track. Yes, the 'NASCAR boys' have respect for it. A burnout, even though I don't care for them period, is acceptable.
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You're kind of contradicting yourself there.
Not really. He simply does not think as special as you perhaps?
Maybe you assume to much.
The reality is the numbers are dropping yet you call the deal 'ahead of its time'. The only end result that can be drerived from that is the series will be broke 'ahead of its time'.
Not at all. I do see it as special, but it's also no different than any other track in America. That's just a realistic or pragmatic view of it.
Um...saying something is special by definition says it's different than other tracks out there. You're contradicting yourself.
Not at all, that's placing a special importance on something when I'm not defining it as such. Yes, the track is special, but I can't say it's magically above any other track that's made of asphalt and has fan accomodations.
Then use a different word.
That's because you're ignoring the history that made Indy what it is. No other track in North America has a history quite like it.Yes, the track is special, but I can't say it's magically above any other track that's made of asphalt and has fan accomodations.
No offense, but I see no need to do as such.
Which is why I am using the word special. I recognize the place it holds among race tracks in America, just as much as I recognize the Empire State Buildin's place among skyscrapers and the Roman Coliseum's place among entertainment facilities in history. However, IMS is still a track, the Empire State Building is still a building, and the Coliseum is still a bowl.That's because you're ignoring the history that made Indy what it is. No other track in North America has a history quite like it.
That does NOT mean they are not special, but they are not any different than their contemporaries.
spe·cial/ˈspeSHəl/
Adjective:
Better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual: "a special effort".
Like I said use a different word. To go on an say "it's just a track" is a direct contradiction of the word. Especially the way you're using it.
You're making an oversimplification. Ever heard of a symbol?However, IMS is still a track, the Empire State Building is still a building, and the Coliseum is still a bowl.
I still fail to see the presence of a contradiction within my point. You can recognize that something is special, but a track is still a track. You can't change natural laws because of a viewpoint. A track is a track. Period.
A track is a track, and all tracks are tracks, but some tracks are significant cultural symbols too.
No offense but I doubt you think IMS is a special place when you use phrases like that. To say something is "just a (whatever)" shows apathy towards it imo. I have never met anyone that has said something was special, truly mean it, and then turn around and say it's "just a (whatever)"
IMS is more than "just a track," the Empire State building is more than "just a building," the Coliseum is more than "just a bowl." Like I said, ever heard of a symbol? C'mon do some abstract thinking.
Indy elitism at its best folks. You can think something is special and still realize that it's just as it is. Texas Motor Speedway is special because it is the first place I ever saw these wonderful cars. It's still just a track. Arlington Stadium was special because it's where I saw my first major league game and it's where the Rangers grew up themselves. It was still falling apart; a run-of-the-mill cookie cutter stadium. The Ballpark in Arlington is home to the back to back American League Champions; it's still just a lot of brick and a hole in the ground.
Oh look...someone else that can't grasp the simple concept of a symbol.
My point exactly.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. To me, yes I do hold IMS as a special place, but again, it's a track, not much different than other favorites of mine like Darlington, Sebring, and le Sarthe.
As DiA beautifully put it, a track is a track, but that doesn't mean one track doesn't hold more significance than another.
The only one I personally agree with is le Sarthe. There's three races I want to see live before I die. Indy 500, Monaco GP, and 24 Hours of Le Mans.
We both agree on that, at least.
Being a big history buff I tend to view particular things in a different way. What something is made out of doesn't interest me. But what it represents and what has happened on it is what keeps me engaged.We both agree on that, at least.
What's next a crow bar?
Classy - real classy.
I'm a lover of history myself and fairly interested in the overall meaning of certain, but at the same time I like to take a pragmatic view of things.*Shrugs.*
Quite the hypocritical statement considering you have come in with some smartass comment on something that has already been resolved just to make sure you get your shots in. You really have a knack for trying to make things personal.
To each their own. I only view things in that way when the subject is more concrete (no pun intended) and not as conceptual as say talking about the significance of IMS. But that's just me.
You should add Bathurst to that list, IMO. Personally, I'd add Monza, Spa, Silverstone and Suzuka.
People do burnouts in those places all the time though.
You'd have a point if those drivers did them on the most iconic part of the track.
Yeah I am telling people what to say.
I rest my case.
Only symbol I care about is my kids grades and the smile on their face when I take them on vacations and to races - including the 500 which they have been at several time.
They would shrug this off as no big deal - it's a different world and the 500 simply is not what it once used to be.
I can understand hanging on to the past but to infer that others should feel the same way - or that in some way they are wrong for not sharing the same ideology is ridiculous.
Some people care - some people don't - doesn't make them less of a fan of the sport or the race IMO.
If I were you I wouldn't worry that anyone would talk that way to your face.
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