This pretty well sums it up for me:
https://twitter.com/Neffry_Aawg/stat...75674946895872Originally Posted by from some dude on twitter :)
This pretty well sums it up for me:
https://twitter.com/Neffry_Aawg/stat...75674946895872
These mentions in national media of Mears, Unser and Foyt...
They're bad things?
???
Probably not
"The series may be hesitant to say it, but the day is here for everybody that loves IndyCar racing to link arms and help each other out. Anybody who doesn’t want to do that needs to find something else to do with their time.”
-- Eddie Gossage, President, Texas Motor Speedway, ICONIC Advisory Committee & TrackForum member
That honor goes to Johnny Aitken. 15 wins at IMS.
My goodness, lots of TF panties that are waded up today and yesterday. Here is what we need to do, make the Sisters tell NASCAR to cancel all further BY 400's. That will fix it. No more burn out, no more spraying champagne in victory circle, no more 4 time winners, no more TF whining.
Get over yourselves. Indy drivers being mentioned with Nascar drivers seems to be a good thing to me. As for the achievements being comparable, yes and no. One is a 400 mile race in a league where 500 mile races are common and there is even a 600 mile race. The other is a 500 mile race, by far the longest race that league runs. Nascar's race is not it's major race, but definately in the top 3-5 for the drivers. Indy is the most important thing in US open wheel obviously.
But the media sees the BY 400 as an important race, and to have 4 victories there is a big accomplishment, so in some ways, they are comparable.
But I will let you get back to your bitching and moaning.
After years of fighting and a split, guess what, we are all IndyCar
October will always be a sad racing month for me. RIP Greg and Dan. You both were great and we miss you.
Id be interested in figuring out how many media types who all but ignore the 500 every May are now trying to shoe horn one of the NASCAR greats onto the same pedestal as the Indy 500 greats.
Faster than a bullet from a gun
He is faster than everyone
Quicker than the blinking of an eye
Like a flash you could miss him going by
No one knows quite how he does it but it's true they say
He's the master of going faster. -George Harrison
I'm sure there are at least 5.
I've got my pitchfork, you?
You know, Hurley Haywood has five Daytona wins.
In a world where four Brickyard 400 wins can be compared to four Indianapolis 500 wins, guys who have only won the Daytona 500 once or twice got nothing on Hurley.
"Is that my *** that I smell burning?" ... Helmet Stogie from "Death spasms of the Mabuchi"
I'm sure there are at least 5.
I've got my pitchfork, you?
Have at it
I follow you and get the ones you missed.
Last edited by KevMcNJ; 07-30-2012 at 05:51 PM.
In this case is is most likely the NASCAR marketing machine getting yesterday's winner and the series a bunch of publicity.
Nope. And neither is a day-long discussion about NASCAR winners on the world's foremost Indycar forum. NASCAR-style marketing at its best.
I'm sure they are pleased to read everyone's continual mention of the series and two of their drivers.
Hurley is a damm fine driver and a great man.
Is there a point to this Hurleyfest?
Just to point out he's a five time Daytona winner the same as Johnson is a four time Indy winner. It works both ways or not at all.
One post (well, actually two, as of now) about Hurley is a "Hurleyfest?"Is there a point to this Hurleyfest?
If I agree with Doc, is it now a Hurleyfest?
Or should I bring up Tom Kristensen's EIGHT WINS at LeMans, including 6 consecutive...as well as a record SIX WINS at Sebring and turn it into a Kristensenfest?
new sig pending
Yes, but it's not the same thing as being a Five Time Daytona winner. I mean even Dale only won it once. Is Hurley's record at Daytona five times greater than Dale's?
Of course, it is apples and oranges, but you'de better believe if anyone was trying to put it out there that five Rolex wins puts you in the same company as multiple Daytona 500 winners, people would sure as hell be disrespecting that idea. Putting Jimmie Jonhson in the same company as AJ Foyt, Al Unser sr, and Rick Mears is just as ridiculous.
That's just it. Being a Daytona winner is nebulous. Being a Daytona 500 winner or a 24 hours of Daytona winner is specific. People can be as specific or vague as they like.
Five Rolex wins is damm impressive, who would mind being lumped in with that?
I think you're missing a huge point: Nobody would even be mentioning Unser, Sr., Mears or Foyt if not for Jimmie's 4th win. That is a GOOD thing, when ANYBODY in the national media is discussing those legends.
LET THEM TALK
It does precisely zero people precisely zero harm.
It's not as if it's a Michael Waltrip kind of driver. We're talking about 5 time. And if you don't believe winning a NASCAR season title is more significant than winning the 500, you haven't looked at the payouts recently.
On Friday I showed Hurley a picture of him with his Penthouse-sponsored NASCAR ride.
Yes, that Penthouse.
"I think of Indianapolis every day of the year, every
hour of the day, and when I sleep, too. Everything I
ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of
the Indianapolis Motor Speedway."
- Eddie Sachs.
Cool. Got a pic of his reaction?
Dale won three Daytona races (not counting qualie races), the Daytona 500 once and the Coke 400 twice.
Richard Petty won there 10 times. Haywood's feat is impressive, but 10>5.
Maybe IndyCar needs to start running at Dayton and have a few 5 time winners to see how the NASCAR fans react when we start comparing them to Petty and the like.
Yeah!
That'll show 'em!
Let's make ISC millions and millions... oh wait....
ISC would welcome IICS to Daytona with open arms. There's always some excuse why it doesn't happen.
Precisely my point. NASCAR has been trying to throw IICS under the bus for years so why should we be ok with NASCAR running at Indy?
NASCAR running at Indy would be like IICS running at Daytona. Indy is meant for OW cars and Daytona is for stock cars.
The massive amout of money IMS earns from the BY400.
And NASCAR has done no such thing. They run their business the way they think will earn them and their shareholders the largest return.
You may feel embarassed or ashamed or whatever you like. IMS is very happy with the $$$ they make working with NASCAR. They share none of your shame, I promise you.
What shame? All I am saying is that NASCAR doesn't belong at Indy the same as IndyCar at Daytona. But somehow according to you it's ok because it's NASCAR.
That shame.
Yeah ignore that other half there. You're making a huge double standard when it comes to NASCAR. You'll go nuts on the attendance of IICS at TMS but NASCAR not even filling Indy to half capacity is totally ok. And now this.
Also, anyone thinking that because Mears, AJ, and Unser getting mentioned is good for IndyCar they're fooling themselves. Because we need to look at why people are mentioning those names. And that's because someone won the BY400 4 times. Not the INDIANAPOLIS 500. But the BY400. To even say they are comparable is an insult to everyone who's raced in the Indy 500 but to everyone who's watched and attended it.
Just because the Indy 500 gets a mention doesn't mean it's good. We need to look at why because that is much more important.
Capacity is 100% irrelevant. They don't get penalized $$ for empty seats. 75k plus the TV money more than pays the bills, to the tune of an 8 figure profit according to TD's thread.
They are in no way in jeopardy of losing this event.
That isn't the case with TMS. 70k vs 30k with next to no TV money makes a large difference.
You can't really be equating the second largest crowd of NASCAR's season with the dismal attendance IICS had at TMS, can you???
Nope. I'm calling you out on your lack of applying the same standard to similar events.
"we can only go by the number"
And context. TMS was a good crowd for IICS considering the state of the sport. IMS for NASCAR was dismal considering the state of their sport.
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