Before anyone gets too upset about the DeltaWing......or too in love with Swift.....the chosen car will be made by Dallara. It's an Indy tradition.
Before anyone gets too upset about the DeltaWing......or too in love with Swift.....the chosen car will be made by Dallara. It's an Indy tradition.
why is it Delta Wing keeps thinking they belong in an open wheel class? the car is not open wheel, it wasn't designed to any existing open wheel rules.... It's like they want Indycar to create a class for the Dwing to exist. I say screw them
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Dildowang?
Edit - Nope, that one still works.
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LOL That there is funny!!
i wonder if the process is an invitation to all manufacturers or it's limited. if invited, i wonder if they are considering removing the tail fin or widening the front wheels which both seemed to be issues in the past.
The Delta Wing needs to be taking on traditional cars, or needs to be racing in it's own series with multiple engine and aero manufacturers involved. It's going to be a spec car in Lights, and while adding another series under the INDYCAR umbrella each weekend might help the series, the Delta Wing would bring in more interest than the top series. That's not a good look either.
I don't see ALMS working either. Nissan isn't going to want to run with the handicaps they were forced to run this summer at France, and who would want to risk their traditional machines losing to the Delta Wing?
I think it's a dead project at this point.
I honestly think Indycar will take a good hard look at this and will consider it. Lights is struggling right now and needs some attention, what better way than bringing in the Delta Wing? From a business standpoint, I think it would be smart to make the Delta Wing the new lights car. From a racing perspective it doesnt make much sense because how on earth will the Delta Wing prepare drivers for IndyCar? The D-W is nothing like the DW-12.
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I really think a manufacturer other than Dallara will get the lights contract!!Before anyone gets too upset about the DeltaWing......or too in love with Swift.....the chosen car will be made by Dallara. It's an Indy tradition.
Just a hunch, but we'll see.
Again, I ask: what happens when one of these blows a rear tire?
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A ladder series is basically there to judge who is "worthy" of rising up to the top of the ladder and gives a chance for the junior drivers to prepare themselves for the top. The Delta Wing would probably do neither of these since the Delta Wing has nothing in common in form of characteristics to the DW12. In the European ladder the junior series is constantly adjusting itself to F1 so that the driver well be as prepared as possible once they make that last jump and the Road to Indy must also be just as dramatic in its changes. What's the point of running the Delta Wing in Indy Lights if it not preparing the driver for the DW12? Makes no sense.
We can draw attention to Indy Lights without sacrificing the skills and adjustments needed to move to Indycar.
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I think that you're looking for an answer something like.......It would spin twice, do a double backflip and shoot straight into the stands! Besides, it has already been proven by engineering experts here at TF that the car will never make it around the 1st corner, so the question is mute. On the other hand, I would guess that a blown tire would cause the same issues that a blown tire causes on every other car.
Last edited by ArtVandalay; 08-13-2012 at 02:17 PM.
It would end up in the wall just like any other car that blows a rear tire at speed.
Honestly, having seen it work (quite well) at Le Mans, I'd be inclined with adjusting the Indycar Rules to include a power-to-weight ratio system and sending it out to run with the big dogs. Agreed on it not being in Indy Lights, though. They need a car that is similar to what runs in the big series for there.
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Let it compete in the 500 to prove it's theoretical advantages. It may well prove to be the Lotus 38 of the 21st century. Who gets to be Jimmy Clark?
If I remember correctly:
Dario Franchitti came from touring cars to CART.
Alex Zanardi came from touring cars (IIRC) after a couple of seasons in F3000 to CART.
Jimmy Vasser came from Toyota Atlantics to CART.
Sam Hornish went from Atlantics directly to the IRL.
Juan Montoya came from a season of F1 testing to CART.
Sebastian Bourdais came from F3000 to Champcars
Kimi Raikonnen went straight from F3 into F1, and I think Vettel did as well (though he was a reserve driver for a bit).
Tony Stewart came from Sprint cars (didn't he?) into the IRL.
None of them drove in the series directly under the top-tier formula. And what else do they all have in common?
A: They are series champions.
My point? If you can drive it will be obvious.
Last edited by shakespeare; 08-15-2012 at 07:57 PM.
Montoya was the 1998 F3000 champion before he came to CART and tied Dario for the CART points battle, winning the CART title in '99.
Actually, you're hitting a subject I've hit on for years. How many Drivers and champions HAVE come out of Lights, either under CART or IRL.?
Off the top of my head: Tracy, Da Matta, Kanaan, and Dixon.
Here's an article from today's al.com. Good to see Indycar making the news in Alabama. Interesting to read TG doesn't seem to think it will work.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2..._river_default
This weeks autosport (print edition) reveals that Delta Wing submiited the Lights proposal at the request of Indycar.... Chew that one over for a bit
I'm not too shocked by it. They are a chassis designer and they need a chassis. Why not reach out to a chassis manufacturer and ask them to submit a proposal? Wouldn't be surprised if a few other proposals might have been acquired this way.
My .02 at least.
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Seriously, there is only one proposal that should even be considered. That is one where the current Indycar "safety cell" is the basis for the chassis, and the rest of the parts are either removed completely or replaced with much less expensive materials.
Whoa, that sounds like something they should do for the full sized Indy cars !
Dario drove very high HP DTM type "touring cars" + had some other high HP OW seat time.
Zanardi had been a winner in F3000 + had been running a variety of F1 cars (Jordan & Lotus...)
IIRC, JPM was a F3000 champion + testing those Williams GP cars.
Vettel was a reserve driver... when it actually meant something + had GP seat time before he ran for Toro Rosso.
Tony Stewart's dirt cars probably had more HP than his Indycar!
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Dear Delta Wing people,
If you want to win over the fans, show us the possibilities of what this car can look like in the hands of other engineers. You said this wasn't going to be a spec car, so show us how.
Thanks.
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According to the Autoextremist (Peter DeLorenzo) the Delta Wing will be legal for the new 2014 P2 class in the new to be named sports car series.
http://www.autoextremist.com/fumes1/The ALMS LMP2 class will survive, along with the GRAND-AM's Daytona Prototype class. The DeltaWing will also be a part of this new class as well.
saw that as well. i wonder if the deltawing folks will redesign the p2 car detalwing to be different than the fils deltawing? of course, based on the deferran design, i doubt there will be a fils deltawing.
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