And the road course product once again proves to be substantially better than their oval product.
After being the case for both series this year how is the sanctionong body going to spin that?
To say they have a lot riding on the 2013 car would be an understatement.
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FYI, NASCAR dictates use of the blue flag as a local yellow flag. The corner worker was doing exactly what is called for in NASCAR's rules. The yellow flag is used for full course cautions only.
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I found it odd that the commentators couldnt see the whole car shifting when ever DP was making a left or right turn.
One could see it for a couple complete laps that the rear end was no longer properly attached to the frame while they kept wondering out loud what was wrong
She would make a leftt turn and you could literally see 1/3 of the LR tire sticking out past the fender.
Then she would go right and the opposite would happen
I have to assume they have a monitor showing the live feed
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I still can't believe Sam was 24th with 7 laps to go and finished 2nd!
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yeah, better.........endless cautions and then bumper cars and demo derby...........much better. The Nationwide boys look like rank amateurs on the road courses. It may look fun, with all the carnage, but the quality of racing blows.
...the spice must flow.....
Maybe the 5+ cautions had something to do with it. Way to go NASCAR.I still can't believe Sam was 24th with 7 laps to go and finished 2nd!
All one can say is thank god it wasn't the Indy Car boys and girls.
As far as an exciting product, both Watkins Glen and Montreal were very exciting finishes. Isn't that what fans wish to see: racing? (Let's not confuse series rules with the competition between cars and drivers. You argue one or the other, but not both at the same time).
Those IndyCar boys and girls actually use these things called talent and skills to overtake people on road courses and not their cars. And their series doesnt screw everyone up by calling yellows for non-existent debris and dont ruin a race by having multiple GWC finishes on a 2.7 road course. And you forget an Indycar "boy" in his late 30s who is a notable mid packer won pole and ran up front contending for victory in a 2nd tier ride while a former Indycar "boy" who was notoriously unsuccessful as a road racer in one of the Captains title winning Indycars ran up front all day and came back from 18th to 2nd after getting dumped and a former Indycar "girl" who was arguably the very worse road racer in all of Indycar in a winning ride managed to lead 20+ laps. Id say Richard Kimble is closer to the mark on Nationwide rank amateurs than you give him credit for. If it was so tough and road racing talent was actually there, "road ringers & outsiders" wouldnt be consistently contending at the front immediately upon arrival.
Entertaining? Sure. Montreal and Watkins Glen were entertaining from a fan perspective. No argument here. AFter all hasnt that become Nascars motto since Brian France has taken over, entertainment?
Its possible believe it or not to be a sport thats entertaining which Nascar has proven time and time again to NOT be. Entertainment by manipulating the competition is were you get into the WWE territory.
To me you get different things from different racing. Indycar to me is an entertaining motorsport. F1 to me is an entertaining motorsport. Nascar at times is an entertaining circus show.
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I never knew that. I'm glad to hear it, though, it explains what looked like an exercise in futility.
I ain't quiet, everybody else is too loud.
I was commenting on the battles taking place on the track, not the bumper car action at the end.
The racing was substantially better than an overwhelming majority of the ovals this year.
Only comparable racing is on the tracks 1 mile or shorter in length.
I love how these NASCAR fans are calling for JV's head for driving like...wait what were them boys' names again?
et al
Honestly, I think they hate JV because he's not only not a good ol Murrican, but also a dadgum Frenchy Canuck!
Just my thoughts. Manipulating competion? Indy Car, one chassis, two engines, O.K. three engines. Talk about manipulating comeption!!!
NASCAR is a different form of raciing, racing where you can lean on another car. Indy Car doesn't do it. Sports cars don't do it. Typical sport car race, yeah, maybe a lot of passing, but, that is between the different classes they run at the same time.
I will admit that the entire field is not made up of very talented drivers, which it always has been, but, there are a few darn good drivers out there.
Besides the bogus first sentence and you know it too, I actually agree with your post! Well stated! Thats what makes Nascar unique from others, they can lean on each other and you have the "rubbins racin". I get that.
And I am proud of you for acknowledging the last sentence. You know how many nascar fans would never say what you said? Most. But guess what, there's drivers in Indycar & F1 that are not very talented either. Everyone has them. There's good drivers and bad drivers. And Jimmie, Smoke and Keselowski (3 best in Nascar IMO) could hold their own against anyone. They are damn fine race drivers. And Nascar has others besides them. Not arguing that. Nascar has a lot of terrific talent that I personally enjoy watching. Its the regime and the way the series is runned that I take issue with.
Good post, Novi.
IndyCar: "one chassis, three engines".
Cup: "one chassis, four engines".
Yep, I can see the huge difference that Novi is pointing out in that first sentence..
But yes, derastically different types of racing betweer fendered cars and formula cars.
I'm watching the ALMS from RA right now and its definitely a different bsreed than the formula car racing.
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"I did not run out of fuel and my engine did not sputter," said Villeneuve. "I was simply taken out by Allgaier, who used me to slow down in Turn 6 on the last lap. It's frustrating because Penske and Dodge gave me such a good car. We ran head and shoulders above everyone else even if we were not attacking in order to save fuel and brakes for the end of the race. It's hard to take."
Allgaier was apologetic . . . but not too much so.
"I am really sorry that I took him out, but from what I've heard because I couldn't see it, earlier in the day, that same car spun out the 30 car [Tagliani] that just happened to be our teammate," Allgaier said. "So, I guess that what goes around comes around."
Much as I like Jacques, he has little room to complain as earlier he 'simply took out' Tagliani (well, maybe more than simply since Jacque accelerated THROUGH Tag).
With Dodge out after 2012...soon to be three.
Maybe one chassis for NASCAR, but, multiple manufacturers of that chassis.IndyCar: "one chassis, three engines".
Cup: "one chassis, four engines".
Yep, I can see the huge difference that Novi is pointing out in that first sentence.
But yes, derastically different types of racing betweer fendered cars and formula cars.
I'm watching the ALMS from RA right now and its definitely a different bsreed than the formula car racing.
Does that make a difference? Not trying to be a smart ass, I'm legitimately curious. One often hears about different engine manufacturers and engine builders, but I don't recall hearing any similar discussions regarding chassis builders.
Just read a report, most NASCAR's top teams build their own chassis. So, that would be Gibbs, Hendrick, Childress, Stewart, Penske, Rousch, etc., So, I would call that a pretty good varity of car builders.
True.
What they build is a spec chassis with the tolerances mandated to be in the millimeter range.
But, there are still different guys building chassis. Not all of them are Dallara.
Yes, a handful of teams build the same chassis.
So, are we trying to compare NASCAR's AAA series with the top rung of AOW?
Goody for all of that. When Tags, Patrick and Hornish are mixing it up for the lead at the Sprint Cup level on a road course, get back to us.
All they were doing on Sunday, is battling it out with a bunch of kids who have very limited road racing experience. Most of the top rung stock car guys were in Michigan.
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After watching the Bumping and grinding in both road races it begs the question. What the F%&*#$ are the rules in NASCAR for bumping someone off the track or running them into the weeds? Does it call for a stop and go?
If there are no specific rules drivers have to play by then let them go at it. Cut the ******** with the full course cautions caused by debris that doesn't exist to allow for the manipulation of the final result.
I would say a car is a pretty big hunk of debris.
This goes back to short tracks, you give the guy in front of you a bump, he gets loose, you pass him. You give the guy in front of you a bump, he gets loose, you pass him, but, he spins out. That is racing.
Would love to see these guys run the road course at Indy during the Brickyard 400. Make it a 160 miler and then later in the day let them run the oval.
Kyle Busch was in the field Saturday... So that doesn't help the case for those that are trying to catt doubt on the quality of talent on the track.
Carry on...
I understand that. My poorly-stated question is whether it makes any difference who builds the car, or if they are all so similar that it doesn't really matter who builds it? And, for those teams that don't build their own chassis, where do they get them?
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