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[Racing Steward]

So, are we trying to compare NASCAR's AAA series with the top rung of AOW?

Goody for all of that. When Tags, Patrick and Hornish are mixing it up for the lead at the Sprint Cup level on a road course, get back to us.

All they were doing on Sunday, is battling it out with a bunch of kids who have very limited road racing experience. Most of the top rung stock car guys were in Michigan.

Yeah that Kyle Busch is such a scrub aint he? If the 47 doesnt leak oil, Kyle Busch is on his way to his 2nd Cup Road course victory in dominant fashion. So that just got shot down. Whats next?

Road ringers have always run good in Cup too and if Nascar doesnt literally attempt to fix the race, Ron Fellows has a win. Quite a few years back, Fellows had a huge lead on Jeff Gordon and Nascar called multiple "debris" cautions until Gordon could get by him. They didnt want no outsider coming in and beating their guys. Fellows to this day still jokes that he is still looking for that debris that Nascar called the yellows for.

Pruett always ran good there. Said always ran good when he had a car that was atleast half way decent. Ambrose & JPM, their first years in Cup were instant winning threats on them. JPM won at Sonoma.

Besides all we hear is how great Nascars drivers are and how tough the series are, so I dont wanta hear no BS excuses now. Oh well its just Nationwide. Spare me. Hornish ran good in the Cup road course as well and he wasnt much on them in Indycar.

Im not saying Nascar has no good road course drivers. In both of their primes (Gordon & Smoke) could run with anybody on road courses. Terrific road racers. JJ has gotten better, the Busch brothers are good on them and Keselowski has become rather good on them as well. But the majority of the drivers in the Nascar fields would be destroyed in other series that have more road racing because they dont have road racing skills. (Using your bumper to dump people is not a skill. You and me can get in and do that). Most of these guys came up through dirt & modifieds. Ovals are their specialty.

[BigWheelHawaii]

I understand that. My poorly-stated question is whether it
makes any difference who builds the car, or if they are all
so similar that it doesn't really matter who builds it? And,
for those teams that don't build their own chassis,
where do they get them?

Here's One Mfg,,, CART Man,,,

http://www.laughlin-racing.com/

Originally Posted by CARTer

Does that make a difference? Not trying to be
a smart ass, I'm legitimately curious. One
often hears about different engine manufacturers
and engine builders, but I don't recall
hearing any similar discussions regarding
chassis builders.

It's Got To Make a Difference,,,

And evendently a big DIFFERENCE... Or Why
Would The Super Teams, Spend Millions of
Dollars,,, Every Race... They All Build Some
New Cars,,, Not for Every Race,,, but a lot of Iron is built yearly

Aloha,,, CART Fan,,,

Here are a couple of sites that may help you,
they sure helped me understand a little better...
I also included a small clip,,, verbatim... But
I think your undestanding of what is allowed,
or not allowed, on a NASCAR COT Car Chassis
may be a little misleading... Hope this helps, it
sure helped me...

PDF File,,, On COT Spec's,,,
http://www.smcars.net/forums/other/2...t-chassis.html

Some of What Is Allowed,,,
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...-tomorrow.aspx


“We control the big pieces, but there’s a lot of
flexibility in terms of suspension geometry and
how components are attached to the chassis.
There is room for manufacturer identity. The
pick-up points on the chassis are regulated only
for asymmetry requirements,” Krueger says.

Love and his counterparts on other racing teams
admit there isn’t much “wiggle room,” but also
acknowledge Car of Tomorrow specifications do
allow for strategic modifications.

“It was a challenge at first,” Love says. “But
we stopped objecting to the concept and started
to think creatively inside the box. We decided
we needed to find ways to get the most out of
the Car of Tomorrow design requirements.”

Here is another site,,,

http://www.crracing.com/wp-content/u.../10/010908.pdf

[CARTer]

Aloha, BWH, and thanks. Interesting stuff. Racers are always going to look for an edge, and before the COT I recall there were different types of chassis built for different tracks - a short track car, superspeeedway car, road race car, etc. I never considered whether that was still the case after the COT hit the track.

[BigWheelHawaii]

Yeah that Kyle Busch is such a scrub aint he? If the 47 doesnt leak oil, Kyle Busch is on his way to his 2nd Cup Road course victory in dominant fashion. So that just got shot down. Whats next?

Road ringers have always run good in Cup too and if Nascar doesnt literally attempt to fix the race, Ron Fellows has a win. Quite a few years back, Fellows had a huge lead on Jeff Gordon and Nascar called multiple "debris" cautions until Gordon could get by him. They didnt want no outsider coming in and beating their guys. Fellows to this day still jokes that he is still looking for that debris that Nascar called the yellows for.

Pruett always ran good there. Said always ran good when he had a car that was atleast half way decent. Ambrose & JPM, their first years in Cup were instant winning threats on them. JPM won at Sonoma.

Besides all we hear is how great Nascars drivers are and how tough the series are, so I dont wanta hear no BS excuses now. Oh well its just Nationwide. Spare me. Hornish ran good in the Cup road course as well and he wasnt much on them in Indycar.

Im not saying Nascar has no good road course drivers. In both of their primes (Gordon & Smoke) could run with anybody on road courses. Terrific road racers. JJ has gotten better, the Busch brothers are good on them and Keselowski has become rather good on them as well. But the majority of the drivers in the Nascar fields would be destroyed in other series that have more road racing because they dont have road racing skills. (Using your bumper to dump people is not a skill. You and me can get in and do that). Most of these guys came up through dirt & modifieds. Ovals are their specialty.

Bla,,, Bla,,, Bla,,, Bla,,,

What Utter Nonsense,,,

You remind me of an "Old Friend",,, he would never let
tradition, facts, or history, taint his on going rhetoric ,,,

He Was The Type of Guy,,,

That Would Look For a Gas Leak,,, With a Lit Match,,,



Here's a suggestion for you,,, "Stewie"



"Put Down the Matches"

[BigWheelHawaii]

Aloha, BWH, and thanks. Interesting stuff. Racers are always going to look for an edge, and before the COT I recall there were different types of chassis built for different tracks - a short track car, superspeeedway car, road race car, etc. I never considered that was still the case after the COT hit the track.

Aloha,,, CART'er,,,

Me Either,,,

I never considered that was still the case after the COT hit the track.

I also thought,,, after the COT,,, All Equal Now,,, but no way,,, I guess...
Look at what Penske has done with those Dodges,,, and all by himself...
They have got them Dodges running like well,, like a "Penske"... What
a great talent, that team has become...

What I don't get, is the "Set Up",,, or more precisely,,, how do
they change the "Set Up" during the race... Really what can they do ???
It's gotto be 90% air pressure,,, no ???

Yes,,, yes,,, I know,,, a turn here,,, a turn there on the "Track Bar",
but that's about it,,, an't it ???? On an Indy Car,,, a Midget,,, or
a Sprinter, you can change a thousand different things... But every
week,,, it's a case of,,, Round Up the Usual Suspects, and who has
that magical "Set Up"... And then when a Team is down,,, they
are down for the count, some times for weeks on end...
Anyway,,, great fun...

Aloha, CART'er

Big

[Racing Steward]

Bla,,, Bla,,, Bla,,, Bla,,,

What Utter Nonsense,,,

You remind me of an "Old Friend",,, he would never let
tradition, facts, or history, taint his on going rhetoric ,,,

He Was The Type of Guy,,,

That Would Look For a Gas Leak,,, With a Lit Match,,,

Here's a suggestion for you,,, "Stewie"



"Put Down the Matches"

Someone using "bla" multiple times in a post, a meaningless analogy about a gas leak & a match and a cartoon character on thread about racing calling someone else's post "utter nonsense"

A bit contradictory dont ya think?