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    Ferrari's bargeboard appeal....

    "I don't expect Ron can much be critisized for thinking the FIA is biased after the FIA let Ferrari measure their own barge boards with their own tools and jigs at the Maylasia DQ appeal hearing." - Dr. Austin

    "Firstly the Malaysia 1999 incident, regarding the barge boards, they were 'illegal' , ferrari mangaed with their lawyers to re-write the FIA rules" - The Beer Baron

    There used to be some rather good graphics on the net that would help this explanation, but I'll do my best.

    The rules state that the bottom of the car must be flat (basically between front and rear tires), and when viewed from the bottom (pretend you tip the car upside down and look at it from that vantage point) nothing can protude beyond the outline of the bottom except the mirrors. If legal external parts are attached, barge boards in this case, they also must conform to the above rule. The obvious purpose of this is so a "foil" affect cannot be created as an aerodynamic aid. There is a tolerance allowed.

    Ferrari had bargeboards with a "lip" that extended out from the bottom of the bargeboard, and parallel with the track surface, or on the same flat plane as the bottom of the car. When measured at the circuit, the Ferrari's were deemed to have a portion of the upper bargeboard extending beyond the bottom outline of this lip. Beyond the allowable tolerance.

    In the appeal, only the bargboards were present to be measured. Ferrari proved that if tipped slightly, where the lip was not exactly on the same "flat" plane as the bottom of the car (but still within tolerance), the upper portion of the bargeboard was within tolerance of the "footprint" of the lip. Hence the reference in the following article about "how flat is flat?".

    Were the bargeboards mounted on the car at that angle? Probably not. But it couldn't be proved differently. Regardless whether Ferrari or anyone else measured them independently.

    Was it a good appeal? Yes.

    Excerpt from an article on the appeal results.

    "The team had been expected to pin their appeal on the argument that the infringement did not affect the cars' performance, but Mosley said Ferrari had convinced the hearing by showing instead that the boards were not illegal.
    He said there was a margin of tolerance regarding measurements relating to the flat bottom of the cars -- stating "how flat is flat?" -- and Ferrari had shown they were within that.
    "Ferrari came with a very accurate jig and were able to show the court that the turning vane, when at a certain angle to the car, had no dimension which exceeded the tolerance of five millimeters," Mosley said.
    "The court of appeal decided to overturn the decision of the stewards and therefore the original result of the race stands in its entirety.
    "That is to say, the drivers have the points that they earned in the race and so does the constructor."


    GV

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by GrandView:

    "Ferrari came with a very accurate jig and were able to show the court"

    They came with their own jig and the FIA allowed them to measure the bargeboard with it. That's all I ever said about it. Everyone else can make up their own minds what that does or doesn't mean.
    I'm dead now.

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    Originally posted by Dr. Austin:

    They came with their own jig and the FIA allowed them to measure the bargeboard with it. That's all I ever said about it. Everyone else can make up their own minds what that does or doesn't mean.
    But the implication is/was that Ferrari got to use their jig during the appeal vs using an FIA approved one, thereby receiving some preferential treatment. Such was not the case.

    The FIA only measured the bargeboard tolerance with a "total car" jig while the boards were attached to the car. During the appeal Ferrari proved by using their "bargeboard" jig that the bargeboards as a singular entity weren't illegal if mounted a certain way. There was no provision during the appeal process for anyone to prove they were mounted in any other fashion. Therefore the appeal was upheld.

    Do I think the bargeboards were mounted out of tolerance? Yep, they probably were. I believe believe Ross even said as much.

    Did they provide any advantage? Doubtful. The purpose of the appeal wasn't to allow use of those particular boards. Ferrari modified them before the next race. The appeal was to retain constructor points earned during the race.

    Ferrari presented a good case for appeal. Certainly better than the one everyone presumed they would use.

    GV

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