http://espn.go.com/rpm/wc/2002/1205/1471885.html
Not bad..."The ratings were up 13 percent this year and 59 percent over two years,'' said Ken Schanzer, president of NBC Sports, which shares the big contract with Fox Sports, Turner Sports, TNT and FX.
"It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice
I wonder how many viewers NBC and TNT looses with all the commercials they play. Probably too insignifigant to even matter.
Preserving America's oval track tradition:
1.New Hampshire, 2.Charlotte, 3.Dover, 4.Disney World, 5.Las Vegas, 6.Atlanta, 7.Gateway, 8.Nazereth, 9.Phoenix, 10.Fontana, 11.Pikes Peak, 12.Michigan.
But . . . but . . . I thought Defender said that NASCAR was having trouble????
DVR . . . . Life is too short to watch commercials.
Why, from what I read around here, NASCAR is just a passing fad and in really deep trouble. Soon people will come to their senses and the whole house of cards will colapse. There were even some empty seats at a few races.
And some empty seats at the banquet.
I'll see YOU at the races!
"But . . . but . . . I thought Defender said that NASCAR was having trouble???? "
Absolutely...I look for Tony Stewart to go begging for an IRL ride in the next few weeks..
As for empty seats last night, I noticed the seats that the big checks were passed out to were full...
BTW: What kind of bonuses did the IRL champ get...CART?
You guys talking about the IRL on a Nascar forum?
Center Grove Trojans
2008 5A Football State Champs
2011 Track State Champs
Bottom line: NASCAR gained more viewers than either openwheel series had. Good year, NASCAR...
Incidentally, this year, the BGN champ (Greg Biffle) got more point money than the IRL champ...
[ December 08, 2002: Message edited by: Racewriter ]
"You guys talking about the IRL on a Nascar forum?"
Good point...I'm shamed...
Good point...I'm shamed...[/QB][/QUOTE]
And here we thought that Howard had no shame. He proves 'em wrong again. Like it or not, right now, for a variety of reasons, NASCAR is the 800 pound gorilla. Open wheel fans must deal with it. Race fans must revel in it.
http://www.hoseheads.com/dannyb.html
Wanna know what's wrong with NASCAR? They've gone from Junior Johnson to Jimmie Johnson.
Wanna know what's wrong with IndyCar? It's gone from dirt ovals to street races.
And to clarify: I'm a race fan who prefers open wheel racing, but enjoys most types of racing, especially that of the short track variety. The new fans that NASCAR is gaining are not former open wheel racing fans; they are new NASCAR fans who might, upon further review, realize that there are several types of racing available. And when that happens all racing benefits. But what do I know? I'm just a poor, dumb postal worker.
Uh....
n-n-niiiice p-p-postal w-w-worker...
I'm told that IRL fans talk about Nascar because we're jealous. Why then do Nascar fans talk about the IRL???
"...Why do NASCAR fans talk about the IRL???
Well, I can assure you it is not because of jealously! Maybe it is because of the many remarks, over the years from fans of first AAA, that evolving into USAC, then cart and IRL, plus those of f-1, in short all of open-wheel racing, such as NASCAR fans are not REAL race fans, that the cars that we enjoy watching are not REAL race cars. Or other such things like that. Maybe because you (using you subjectivly, not necessarly you specifically, unless you are or have been guilty of it) constantly refer to NASCAR as ******* , call NASCAR drivers no talent hicks, etc. You name it, there are many reasons that NASCAR fans talk about you, and the talk is just as unflattering as any that you have spoken about us!
"the new fans that NASCAR is gaining are not former open wheel racing fans;..."
Very true.
"They are new NASCAR fans who might, upon further review, realize that there are several types of racing available. And when that happens ALL racing benefits. But what do I know? I'm just a poor, dumb postal worker."
No, postal workers are far from dumb. Your perception would be quite true, in a idealistic world. However, given that this is not an idealistic world, and that quite large numbers of your open-wheel comrades insist on continuing to make such statements about NASCAR fans not being REAL fans, and NASCAR cars not being REAL race cars, and as long as they keep refering to NASCAR as ******* , and various other things such as that, the new NASCAR fans will become just like the rest of us, they will grow to first resent, and then to outright hate open-wheel racing. We have been sick and tired of the elitest, look down your nose at us attitude for many years now, and this is our reply. That open-wheel racing suffers is of no concern to me, IMO they have reaped what they sowed, that being our scorn! I know that you will not agree with what I have said, but that's the way it is. Too bad this isn't an idealist world, but that too is the way it is.
"Like it or not, right now, NASCAR is the 800 lb gorilla. Open wheel fans must deal with it. Race fans must revel in it."
You got that one right, I as a NASCAR fan do revel in this fact. The fact that our TV numbers are showing increases each year, despite those that say that we are a passing fad, are in deep trouble, etc! Not bad, not bad at all for a series that is not REAL racing, does not have REAL race cars, and that who's fans are not REAL race fans! To all of those that are our detractors, I've got only one question, don't you wish that you could know what it's like to be the 800 lb gorilla and to be on top, instead of sucking bilge water and eating our dust? ROTFLMAO
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Tony Stewart: "It's good to be out of those taxicabs an back among REAL race fans.
Fine Toni, thank you for point out to us that we are not "REAL" race fans. That's just fine because we, as NASCAR fans do not consider you to be a "REAL" NASCAR Winston Cup Champion!
[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Lee ]
Hi Lee, hope ALL is well!
Hello MoparsRule,
Haven't seen you for somewhat over 9 months now. Long time, no see. Wish I could say that all is well, but I'd be lying if I did. Many things have not been well for a considerably long period of time now. I would say that at least I have my health, but not even that is true anymore.Thanks for inquiring though. I hope all is well with you and yours. Take care.
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Tony Stewart: "I'm glad to be out of those taxicabs and back among REAL race fans.
Fine Toni, thank you for pointing out to us that we are not "REAL" race fans. That's just fine because we, as NASCAR fans do not consider you to be a "REAL" NASCAR Winston Cup Champion!
Now Lee, first of all I'm aware of your personal issues of late and do really hope that things are at least getting better. Life does have its ups and downs and hopefully yours will be on the upside soon.
If it was only just us, we could deal with our differences of opinion. Name-calling and snide comments have been made by both "sides" over the years, and we can do nothing about that, unless we choose to bring it up to cause hard feelings. I've no time for any of that.
Much of the resentment against NASCAR fans, it seems to me, is not against long time fans, such as yourself, but against the newer fans. These are the ones who have become fans thanks to what they've seen on TV, the ones who have never been to a place such as the Nashville Speedway (Fairgrounds) or any other short track to see tomrrow's stars. The only races they go to are WC (or IRL or CART) affairs; God forbid that they would "lower" themselves to visit their local bullring. I guess that my attitude is that at least they are going to a race and maybe they will be intrigued enougth to visit a local track. I cannot emphasize too much that this is my own opinion, based on observation.
Other criticisms of NASCAR are often legitimate, but it depends upon the attitude of the critic, doesn't it? Loving racing in all forms as I do, I feel that I can fairly criticize NASCAR for such rules as, let's say, allowing people to race back to the yellow, or changing the rules seemingly every month. If a race fans wants a racing series to be better and criticizes said racing series, does that make him or her a NASCAR or IRL hater? Can't we love something and criticize it too, in the spirit of desiring it to be better? And by putting down something, does that make us better? With all of CART's troubles, many folks rejoice and they should not because, IMO, all racing suffers when one part of it suffers, whatever the reason (in CART's case gross mismanagement, among other things).
That's enough for me. Lee, you know that I'm primarily an open wheel race fan. But do you see me giving up my Martinsville tickets? No way, buddy. Maybe one of these days, I'll donate one of them to yourself and we'll have a great time. I guarantee it.
Take a deep breath Lee...it's all simply fun...and Tony Stewart is the real deal, like it or not...
"Now Lee, first of all, I am aware of your personal issues of late and do really hope that things are at least getting better. Life does have it's ups and downs and hopefully yours will be on the upside soon."
DannyB, first, thank you for your well wishes. Please forgive me, but try as I might, I cannot place you from anywhere. Do I know you, and if so, from where? Did, or do you participate on another forum that I might have participated on at sometime in the past? Maybe under a different user name that I might recoginize? You see, that is how I know MoparsRule, he and I both use to be on the old "That'sRacin" message board, then after they changed their format/software, and most of the members left that site, we were both on a site called "RaceStud" before it was closed down. Were you at either of those sites, is either, or both of them where I would know you from? This is the first time I have seen MoparsRule since that site closed down, a little over 9 months ago. In all reality, I have not been a part of, nor taken part in any forum, save for this one, and here just recently, as in the last month or so, and only on an irregular basis, since "RaceStud" was closed 9 months ago. I don't even lurk an any other sites/forums. I don't recall posting any personal issues on any forum, anywhere, so how would you know what, if any personal issues I might, or might not have? Again, I don't mean to sound rule, I really do appreciate the well wishes, but I just can't place you from anywhere. Maybe I knew you at a different site, from sometime in the past. Please refresh my memory if you don't mind, and perhaps a private message would be a better way to do this, so send me one. Again, thank you for the well wishes, and again, I'm sorry that I can't seem to remember you from anywhere.
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Tony Stewart: "It's good to be out of those taxicabs and back among REAL race fans."
Fine Toni, thank you for pointing out to us that we are not "REAL" race fans. That's just fine because we, as NASCAR fans do not consider you to be a "REAL" NASCAR Winston Cup Champion!
I've thought about you quite a bit, actually... hope things go better in the near future!
God Bless!
Lee, check your e-mail.
Oh, now I get it.
When open-wheel fans insult Nascar its because they're jealous jerks.
When Nascar fans insult open wheel racing its because OWR deserves it.
Thanks for the clarification, Lee.
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