He said that because the tires at the brickyard testing are bad that the race will be like the indy 500 fast and no passing.... What is he smoking? The Brickyard race has never had any passing.... The race is usually really boring.. except for 96,97
He said that because the tires at the brickyard testing are bad that the race will be like the indy 500 fast and no passing.... What is he smoking? The Brickyard race has never had any passing.... The race is usually really boring.. except for 96,97
I thought the same thing. They have always said it was a one groove limited passing track
But it is frickin' Indy, man!
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For stock cars with their 1960's designed chassis, Indy is a driver's track. Fortunately for Stewart, not many cup guys answer that description.IMO, if Tony knew how to make his car better at the end of the race, he would win this thing every year because he's the best driver they've got down there. Not making his car better during the race was a weakness in his IRL days, too. Of course, Nascar could have a Daimler win if they wanted, not out of the realm of possibility.
He lost me too....the BY 400 is one big freight train...Originally posted by irlman:
<STRONG> What is he smoking?</STRONG>
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tony makes it harder and harder everyday for his open wheel fans to keep supporting him..
watch where you crap tony, because or you wont have that many real fans left...
Wheldon is a legend now. One of the immortal Gods of Speed.
I think a lot of Tony, but alas, I'm afraid you're right....Originally posted by Heath Hamilton:
<STRONG>tony makes it harder and harder everyday for his open wheel fans to keep supporting him..
.....</STRONG>
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If the league is not going to shift their stance on the fees I would imagine all of the ovals would start being replaced by "chamber of commerce financially supported" TV infomercials dressed up like a car race for different city centers across the USA.
If this years 400 has as much passing as a typical 500, it would be the only GOOD race Nascar has ever had at the speedway. Freight train is right.
"tony makes it harder and harder everyday for his open wheel fans to keep supporting him.."
What exactly did he say that you don't like...
BTW: It was said from the beginning that WC could not pass in the corners at The Speedway...that proved to be wrong...most all races at the Speedway, including The 500 have been less than exciting...but, it's Indy...
Howard, you need to take a reality pill. This forum is the IRL forum which means anything IMS is sacred. Tony effectively ran down Indy by his statements. That is clear to everyone here except you. I appreciate the fact you are a NASCAR fan and that is absolutely fine. I also enjoy NASCAR from time to time. Tony Stewart has a mouth that needs a muffler on it. He has no respect for anything except himself and doesn't even have the sense to know he is running himself down with his own mouth by shooting it off all the time. Nearly every time he has opened his mouth this year, he has said the wrong thing. I am not trying to give you a hard time, but if you think anyone's derogatory comments about IMS are going to go unnoticed here you are very wrong. Just the facts Howard.
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It's not that Tony ran down the Speedway, he ran down the 500.
Coming from a driver in a series that is still waiting to put on a good race there, he should know better!
Maybe he's just getting wrapped up in his role as "The Villain" in the France family's little play....
Gee, pretty touchy around here...IMS is a great place, loaded with tradition...some of which I witnessed long before several around here were born...it is not perfect however...
It is less than perfect from a viewer's perspective...many tracks provide much better lines of sight.
Fengler ran the place with an iron fist...rules frequently changed...some drivers were given "special" notice, others were nearly ignored...Most races at the Speedway have been boring...that's a fact...
BTW: In case you missed it, my father built the brick pylons at the corner of 16th and Georgetown...the old main gate...my first love in racing has always been The Speedway...
Howard, in case you missed it, my mother was Assistant Ticket Director for 30 years at Indy, my father was the yellow shirt in charge of the garage area parking lot for umpteen hundred years and yours truly has driven more miles on the track than probably all the current drivers have, possible combined. First visit to Indy was '49. First race at Indy was '53 and haven't missed one since (knock on wood). There are some other members here who have had a connection with Indy for some time and at least one I know of who still lives in Speedway and a few of us who went to Speedway High School. We love Indy and we don't like those that knock her. I didn't take your statements that way. Many a driver has wished he had kept quiet about his feelings of how easy Indy was or Indy was just another track. Indy is a breathing entity in itself and often seeks revenge on those who do not provide the proper respect.
Yeah, Tony's got a big mouth. No question. Kinda reminds me of another guy that came outta USAC. His every word (about half of them wrong) was dissected by the media. In fact, some of 'em do it to this day - even using his words to pretend, just for a moment, that old A.J. WASN'T the greatest race driver ever...
Tony's kinda like that.
"It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice
Hey, if nothing else, I love watching these guys "compare credentials"!
(P.S. My Grandfather once drove by the track. . .)
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A.J. respects indy.
tony doesn't respect anything or anyone.
big difference.
It's a brand new day.
Rev-ed, I didn't even put 'em all down here in print, like the time I was driving the tour bus and hit the turn 3 wall with a load of passengers after blowing a tire. They loved it. Had to get pics and etc. When Cagle came out to the scene, they told him how much they enjoyed it and wanted his autograph also.
WAITER: is everything ok sir?
TS: the size 12 was tart, may I try a 13?
"A.J. respects indy.
tony doesn't respect anything or anyone.
big difference."
How about Bill Vukovich...did he "respect" Indy...
"Indy is a breathing entity in itself and often seeks revenge on those who do not provide the proper respect."
Indy is concrete and steel...the track has a rich tradition, yet, I've never seen it breath...it is a non-living entity...one could offer the argument for Langhorne...
tracks don't seek revenge, drivers make mistakes...
People have been describing non-living entities in anthropormorphic terms for years...they are still non-living entities..
[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: hdolan ]
Mr.Indy wrote:
"Rev-ed, I didn't even put 'em all down here in print, like the time I was driving the tour bus and hit the turn 3 wall with a load of passengers after blowing a tire. They loved it. Had to get pics and etc. When Cagle came out to the scene, they told him how much they enjoyed it and wanted his autograph also. <Picture> "
Just how fast did you have that box going?
Mr. Indy to Clarence Cagel, "something broke boss. It drifted up in the gray and I couldn't get it back"
Boring? Let's just start in the 80's.Originally posted by hdolan:
<STRONG>Most races at the Speedway have been boring...that's a fact...</STRONG>
'81 - The two leaders pass cars under the yellow, setting of a war of words and the decision being overturned TWICE. Boring?
'82 - I don't think I have to defend this. Boring?
'83 - Sneva pass to pass Al Jr. then Al Sr. in the last 15 laps to win his first Indy after three seconds. Boring?
'85 - Sullivan passes Mario, spins and keeps it off the wall, then pass Mario again for the win. Boring?
'86 - Cogan passes Rahal and Mears with under 20 laps to go, then Rahal passes Cogan on the restart with 2 laps to go. All three guys have a shot to win on the last lap. Boring?
'87 - Guerrero is handed the win on a platter by Mario, but stalls it as Al Sr. goes by. That extra 30 seconds he in the pits was about the 30 most intense moments in the history of sports. Boring?
'89 - Al Jr. and Emmo battle for the lead, touch wheels and Al Jr. hits the wall with just over a lap to go giving Emmo his first win. Boring?
'90 - Emmo leads nearly the whole race until blisters allow Rahal and Luyendyk to go by. Then Luyendyk makes a great pass on Rahal for the win. Boring?
'91 - Andretti passes Mears, then Mears passes him back on the outside in Turn 1 - all in the last 15 laps. Boring?
'92 - Little Al wins by just a few tenths (hundredths, actually) of a second. Boring?
'93 - Eight drivers within 12 seconds of the winner, another 3 on the lead lap. Boring?
'94 - Emmo crashes trying to lap Al Jr., and thus the field, handing Little Al the win just five years after their first great battle. Boring?
'95 - Goodyear crossed the line first, but because he passed the pace car is black flagged, handing Jacques Villenueve his first Indy win. Boring?
'96 - Lazier passes Jones and Giaffone both in the last 20 laps just months after breaking his back. Boring?
'97 - Two teammates finished 1-2 in one of the closest races ever. Boring?
'98 - Cheever about puts in the wall 4-5 times trying to hold off Lazier. He does hold him off for his first win.
'99 - Gordon runs out of fuel with just over a lap to go, handing Brack his first win of the year. The dicing up front between Brack, Luyendyk, Lazier, Ward, and Ray was about the best racing you'll EVER see.
This doesn't even take into account that these aren't just any races. This is the INDY 500 - the most important race in the world. PERIOD!!!!
If you think most of the races at Indy are boring, you need to check your pulse. I wonder what you'd consider exciting.
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'96 - Lazier passes Jones and Giaffone both in the last 20 laps just months after breaking his back. Boring?
Actully it was zampadri not giaffone.
Hey Jolly, rotflmao!
Howard, maybe you best not walk across the track before the race in the cross walk. It is really hard telling what could happen to you when the "old lady" takes her revenge!
"This doesn't even take into account that these aren't just any races. This is the INDY 500 - the most important race in the world. PERIOD!!!!"
Impresive list...however, the race started long before the eighties...as far as it being the most important race in the world, several would disagree
For example, some WC races get more TV viewership than the 500, a fact, not opinion. Le Mans is the biggest to many people as is most any F1 race...
Look. I'm into the 500 big time. However, fact is, that it is no longer that monolithic entity that dominated the racing world. It is huge, no doubt, but the stage is much larger today than it was years ago.
As far as Stewart's comments and attitude, they are no different than Bill Vukovich's a half century ago.
Somebody commented about my soul being sucked out by a straw. Perhaps I find some things in life more important than a race track. It is what it always has been; entertainment.
[ July 27, 2001: Message edited by: hdolan ]
Howard, just what race in WC gets more viewership than the 500? Certainly not Daytona which leaves none. You are in space somewhere dude. The F1 guys still consider Indy as what it always has been as evidenced by comments this year and last by some of the F1 drivers excluding Jack Newton whose head is now so large they can't find a helmet to fit it and believes all things center on him.
Howard Indy also has been and always will be the pennacle of racing. There are no asteriks! Never have been, never will be. And IMHO, any race fan that does not recognize Indy and give due respect, is not a real race fan. I really do not understand some of your comments and don't want to turn this into a dissing match. That is not the reason for this forum.
You are absolutely 100% on that. Everytime I hear Tony, I immediately think of AJ when he was Tony's age and I couldn't stand him back then. But he had won Indy by that time also. You didn't hear anything from AJ until he won the race which I guess does give some bragging rights. It was a long time before I could really fully appreciate AJ and started taking his side. I still don't appreciate TS and his mouth. I am sort of surprised Joe Gibbs puts up with it but I guess he is used to it from his other sport.Originally posted by Racewriter:
<STRONG>Yeah, Tony's got a big mouth. No question. Kinda reminds me of another guy that came outta USAC. His every word (about half of them wrong) was dissected by the media. In fact, some of 'em do it to this day - even using his words to pretend, just for a moment, that old A.J. WASN'T the greatest race driver ever...
Tony's kinda like that.</STRONG>
Got it right, big time, Spencer Mac.
I don't remember many boring 500's, if any.
Of course someone who would think stuff like restrictor plate draft-and-shoot is racing may find real races such as the 500 a bit different.
I am glued to the TV every 500 I am not there. And if I'm there...well, nothing ever boring about it. But that's just me, I love racing.
"Howard, just what race in WC gets more viewership than the 500? "
Daytona 500 10.0
Dura-Lube 400 8.2
Daimler Chrysler 6.5
Cracker Barrel 6.7
Carolina Dodge Dealers 6.1
Food City 500 6.2
Harrah's 500 7.0
Talladega 500 6.4
I believe the Indy 500 had a rating of 5.8...My comment was TV viewership...if the stadia held as many as The Speedway, I suspect many would match the attendance numbers...
I see that you are another who defines what a "real" race fan is...
BTW: There are two races that I continually arrange my schedule to watch...the first is The Indianapolis 500...the second is The Daytona 500...
[ July 27, 2001: Message edited by: hdolan ]
I don't care what Tony Stewart says about the Indy 500 vs the Brickyard 400. This whole thread is a bit dumb. The amount of passing or lack of it is due to the obvious fact that NASCAR racers and Indy cars are different types of vehicles and when you use them both on the same track you will get two different kinds of racing.
Whoever said that every one of Tony Stewart's comments get dissected by everyone is right...people are taking this way too seriously. I understand it with Robin Miller because everything I've every heard him say has been completely stupid, but by now hearing "Guess what dumb thing RM said!" is getting old.
People every day make similar comments one way or the other and most go unreported (thank God, as otherwise this forum would be full of threads saying "So-and-so said something controversial again." Just leave it alone and let's talk about something else.
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