Yep, Bird that’s exactly where we are at. I too wouldn’t be surprised when some IRL fans start signing the praises of street courses. It’s going to happen and those of us who oppose it and remind people that it is totally hypocritical, will be shouted down or branded as complainer’s or told we just “misunderstood” the vision TG and the IRL were communicating back in the early days (yea right, look at an IRL program or press release from 96 & 97 and tell me we misunderstood.)I just have to shake my head when I see the same folks who used to condem manufacture shenanigans when it was a CART problem now explaining away the same manuvers as being "good for the series".
I'm just waiting for the first time someone trys to explain to me the difficulties of man-handling an Indycar around the concrete canyons....
It’s a bizarre situation. I thought most of us who were IRL fans were opposed to CART based upon principles. That’s why when the IRL does the same things that we complained about in CART, fans ought to be equally upset, maybe even more so, instead of coming up with weak excuses to justify it (why weren’t those excuses ok for CART back in 95?) And it’s not just IRL fans. I see CART hardcores doing handsprings justifying a series that they would have mocked a few years ago.
I’ve come to the conclusion that a significant % of “fans” on these type of forums were in it just for the “split.” Everything was about CART losing and the IRL winning (and vise versa) even it means morphing into something that looks an awful lot like what they originally opposed. For these folks there were no principles to uphold, no consistent vision, just CART going into the dumper and Tony George running the show (again the reverse is true for the CART hardcores.)
In some sense I have a deep level of respect for some of the CART fans who we don’t hear much from anymore. I suppose many walked away, or gave up, rather than give support to a CART series that is hollow shell of its former self and embrace what they had previously opposed (note this excludes the type of goofball that hangs out at c-wagon – the very worst example of “split” fans on the net IMHO.) Now I totally disagree with their (legit CART fans from the 90’s) ideas about the direction of the sport and I still to this day think the CART series as put together in the mid and late 90’s was in need of a massive overall or retooling to make it attractive to US fans. But in a sense I respect their position because it was taken for reasons of principle – of course I disagree with them, but I can at least appreciate where they stand.
Man, this is a crazy situation.