Have a look for yourself.
I tried to post this last week and the TF software wouldn't let it go so I had a couple of Kerry apologists imply or state that I was wrong.
I won't hold my breath waiting for apologies.
Have a look for yourself.
I tried to post this last week and the TF software wouldn't let it go so I had a couple of Kerry apologists imply or state that I was wrong.
I won't hold my breath waiting for apologies.
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'Tis true. A few pages containing a couple four letter words were found.
Gee, our future President cusses! What an amazing coincidence! That means he and I have something in common besides abnormally high cheekbones, funny looking chins, graying hair, and an appreciation for Nile Rodgers. Imagine that.
I wonder if he'd consider naming me Administrator of the Department of Phrenology? I could sure use a Cabinet level position...
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Well, that certainly disqualifies him then. I'm sure the last time Georgie uttered that word, Bar Bar washed his mouth out with a big bar of soap. You know, right after he finished telling Condy what to do to Saddam...
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With possibly the exception of Carter, there hasn't been a President who wasn't fluent in the use of vulgarity. The difference is they, and most other politicians, reserve it for private conversations and have the discipline, dignity and respect for the public to comport themselves as gentlemen when giving speeches, interviews or othewise out in public. Sometimes they slip-up when they think a mike is off or they are out of earshot.
Kerry's situation is different in that he is using the f-bomb in public and on his website. And it is hypocritical to complain about this campaign being the dirtiest and ugliest ever when he and his people are at least equal contributors to the low level of discourse. The Rolling Stone interview and the statements on his website appear to be pandering to the foul-mouthed 18-30 year old South Park fan, but there is still a sizeable number of people who hope for leaders who can articulate their message better than "He f***ed up!" and "That's bulls***!"
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Hey TD.
I had a whole post going through each use of a 4 letter word. As you must admit, they were pretty trivial and most of them weren't by Kerry, but by others.
Just as I was ready to post it your thread got jerked.
It's not worth my time to go and document it again. Suffice it to say that there are some 4 letter words on the site and you're grasping at straws
BTW There still aren't any nasty words in the duck hunting story.
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Maybe he learned that language while being a soldier...
as opposed to pretending to be a soldier.
I don't think Kerry is out there trying to impress us that he is some nice guy who has an ability to bring people together.
He is out there as an alternative to Bush, and that may be enough to get him elected. Someone said the more you get to know Kerry the less you like him, I hope that is not the case.
That's fair... I know I didn't dislike Bush nearly as much three years ago as I do today.Originally posted by IndyJim
I don't think Kerry is out there trying to impress us that he is some nice guy who has an ability to bring people together.
He is out there as an alternative to Bush, and that may be enough to get him elected. Someone said the more you get to know Kerry the less you like him, I hope that is not the case.
BTW this someoe was his last name Hannity or Limbaugh?
Originally posted by Scott Bennett
Well, that certainly disqualifies him then. I'm sure the last time Georgie uttered that word, Bar Bar washed his mouth out with a big bar of soap. You know, right after he finished telling Condy what to do to Saddam...
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Did you duck as the point went flying over your head?
No, all the squinting at trying to see the point gave me a headache. Kerry swears. So does GWB. So do I. So do 200 million other Americans. Who cares?
Originally posted by Truth Detector
Did you duck as the point went flying over your head?
Originally posted by Scott Bennett
No, all the squinting at trying to see the point gave me a headache. Kerry swears. So does GWB. So do I. So do 200 million other Americans. Who cares?
Substitute "cheats on his wife" for "swears" and it sounds like the same excuses Clinton got.
I swear but I'm not running for President. See the difference?
W swears but doesn't riddle his web page with it. See the difference?
Originally posted by Lemming51
With possibly the exception of Carter, there hasn't been a President who wasn't fluent in the use of vulgarity. The difference is they, and most other politicians, reserve it for private conversations and have the discipline, dignity and respect for the public to comport themselves as gentlemen when giving speeches, interviews or othewise out in public.
Very well said.
Why is it you guys always bring it back to Clinton? He's not running this year. Personally, I couldn't stand the guy. And neither I nor 200 million other Americans cheat on our spouses. It's not the same. But I'm sure if Bush had "F- Saddam" on his website, you would castigate him for it. Because it's all about issues and character and principles, not the fact the he has a little (R) next to his name on the ballot. Right? Right...
Despite my intense dislike for Shrub, I feel an almost as strong distaste at being forced to vote Democrat this year. My first time ever, and hopefully my last.
Originally posted by Truth Detector
Substitute "cheats on his wife" for "swears" and it sounds like the same excuses Clinton got.
Scott you must be new `round here... cause they always bring it back to Clinton...
Congratulations on voting Democrat. If that makes you feel like a more complete person than I am then more power to you. Your belief that I would defend W's blatant public use of profanity is misinformed. I am willing to criticize my candidates when it is warranted but the Democratic party will have to go through some tremendous changes before anybody from there ever gets one of my votes.
Especially a flaming liberal like Kerry.
And the Republican party will have to go through some tremendous changes to get back one of my votes. Just think, this could have been the final year of a Bob Dole administration, had things gone a little differently in 96. I wonder how different current events would have been. We surely wouldn't know the name "Monica Lewinsky." Would our troops be in Iraq? Would the WTC still be standing in lower Manhattan?
Every action in time unfolds an infinite number of possible futures. I don't like the one we ended up on.
Originally posted by Truth Detector
...the Democratic party will have to go through some tremendous changes before anybody from there ever gets one of my votes.
"Would the WTC still be standing in lower Manhattan?"
Are you saying that a Dole administration would have prevented 9/11...are you forgetting the previous attack on the WTC...how about the attack on a naval vessel...of course Clinton demanded an apology for that...your slip is showing...
You do understand that the "?" symbol denotes a "question", right? I have no idea whether a Dole administration could have prevented 9-11, that's why I used this: "?" at the end of the sentence. The first WTC bombing happened in Clinton's first term, and the Cole attack happened in his second. Maybe Dole would have taken the Cole more seriously. Maybe not. Ousting the Taliban in 2000 surely would have changed global events in unpredictable ways.
There were plenty of opportunities for both the Clinton and Bush administrations to see what was coming and try to stop it. They both failed.
And another thing... Charlie Chimpanzee was inaugurated a mere three months after the Cole bombing. Why the **** didn't he do something about it? Where was all this Republican indignation then? Why does he get a free pass, while Clinton gets all the blame? Over 3000 people could still be alive today. There's plenty of blame for everybody.
Originally posted by hdolan
Are you saying that a Dole administration would have prevented 9/11.
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The righteous indignants do...beyond them, no one.Originally posted by Scott Bennett
No, all the squinting at trying to see the point gave me a headache. Kerry swears. So does GWB. So do I. So do 200 million other Americans. Who cares?
Coming to you from the pinnacle of cynical.
Sorry Scott I should have warned you... not only do all things go back to Clinton, but that eventually TD would suggest you were an elitist and Howard would suggest you wore women's clothing if you disagreed with them...
sorry
Should I warn him about the whole glass thing??
Naw that always has more effect when one sees it unleashed on them the first time without warning.
Originally posted by RoscoeSarles
The righteous indignants do...beyond them, no one.
If by 'righteous indignants' you mean those who still hold respect for the oval office and the person who occupies it, then you are correct.
On the other hand you have those who support anything a Democrat president or hopeful does because "we all do it". I remember when the office of the president wasn't just for Joe Six-Pack. I'll continue to hold the president to a higher standard thank you.
If you think John Kerry is the only presidential candidate to use bad language, or to say you clearly don't know what George Bush and Dick Cheney think of Adam Clymer at the New York Times. (And, the same goes if you think John Kerry is the only one who has made questionable comments without realizing that a microphone is on.)
Originally posted by JoeBob
If you think John Kerry is the only presidential candidate to use bad language, or to say you clearly don't know what George Bush and Dick Cheney think of Adam Clymer at the New York Times. (And, the same goes if you think John Kerry is the only one who has made questionable comments without realizing that a microphone is on.)
How many times must this distinction be made?
They all say them. Kerry is the only one to say them openly in an interview and to allow them on his very own web page. Of course I remember W calling this guy a major league ***hole and Cheney endorsing it with a Big Time (or was it vice versa) while forgetting they were on an open microphone.
That is a little different from the Rolling Stone interview and/or Kerry's own web page.
Assuming you want to see the difference...
Or assuming that one cares. I am mush more interested by Bush's claim that Kerry proposes to raise taxes by 900 billion dollars when in the same ad they admit that restoring the taxes on those with incomes above $200,000 will only bring back $250 billion of the Bush deficit. Now that's obscene.Originally posted by Truth Detector
That is a little different from the Rolling Stone interview and/or Kerry's own web page.
Assuming you want to see the difference...
Its obvious that you don't care.
As long as its a democrat.
As to the rest of your post? Divert divert divert.
You are correct. I do not care and I don't care if Bush calls someone an *******. I simply don't care. I do care when he pursues a foreign policy that results in over 550 americans being killed for no good reason. I do care when he knows that a drug bill is likely to cost $535 billion, but lies and says that it will only cost $400 billion, while trheatening the actuary who knows the figures with being fired if he reveals them.Originally posted by Truth Detector
Its obvious that you don't care.
As long as its a democrat.
As to the rest of your post? Divert divert divert.
As you and Howard have said many times, lying does count. Bush's lying has cost us Billions and resulted in hundreds being killed (I assume that's not over the line since I am not saying he killed them with his own hands, just that he ordered them into battle using false intelligence and for no justifiable reason).
I saw this clip of Kerry and the first thing I thought was, man he blew a huge opportunity.
I don't have any beef with people who cuss. I know plenty of French myself, and use it a lot in the garage working on the car, etc. People use it. I know some people don't but that's their choice. It doesn't make them "holier than thou" if they don't.
However, I have a strong belief that there's a time and place for it. I keep it out of the house. It stays in the garage.You refrian from using around the kids. Use it only around people whom you are comfortable with, and would do it in return.
I have a mini-list of places to use it and not to use it...
Garage- OK
Inside the house- NO
Football game- OK, as long as no kids around
At a race- OK, especially in the infield
Workplace- OK, but only with co-workers, never with the boss. Never with female co-workers either. In other words, only in private sitations.
I could go on and on...
Anyway, a candidate for office should NEVER be heard saying a cuss word, or racial slur, either on the mic, off the mic, in an interview, on a webpage, whatever. It's just a show of professionalism that should be followed.
The day you run for public office is the day your vocabulary should be purged.
I don't care if Kerry is a cusser, but he should watch his mouth when in public. Most people don't care about cussing, but when someone who's supposed to be Presidential, be it Bush, Kerry, whoever, drops a cuss word, it just shows a huge lack of professionalism. Bush's ***hole bomb in '00 reminded everyone of his brash "Texas-ness," and could have been a huge liablity.
Kerry blew a HUGE opportunity of "Professionalism" when he refused to apologize the other day about the comments he made. Instead he came across as a pompus, mean-spirited fella. If he would have simply apopogized about it, he could have shown that 1) He still doesn't like those "Bush people" and 2) He wants to make an effort to "not go negative." He would have come out on top on both issues.
But he blew it, he's going to run a negative campaign regardless, but he won't admit it, and won't give the perception that he isn't either. It's only March, the general public is already getting bored with this presidential election season...
Originally posted by akimbo
I do care when he pursues a foreign policy that results in over 550 americans being killed for no good reason.
Ahhhhhh......
The kinder & gentler akimbo....
Then you shouldn't be supporting Kerry...Originally posted by akimbo
You are correct. I do not care and I don't care if Bush calls someone an *******. I simply don't care. I do care when he pursues a foreign policy that results in over 550 americans being killed for no good reason. I do care when he knows that a drug bill is likely to cost $535 billion, but lies and says that it will only cost $400 billion, while trheatening the actuary who knows the figures with being fired if he reveals them.
As you and Howard have said many times, lying does count. Bush's lying has cost us Billions and resulted in hundreds being killed (I assume that's not over the line since I am not saying he killed them with his own hands, just that he ordered them into battle using false intelligence and for no justifiable reason).
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