I just received an email from Michigan International Speedway advising that there were still tickets available for their Nextel Cup events. I don't remember this ever happening. MIS is always a sell out.
I just received an email from Michigan International Speedway advising that there were still tickets available for their Nextel Cup events. I don't remember this ever happening. MIS is always a sell out.
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C'mon, guys. Please (a.) use the B/S forum for stuff like this and (b.) try to be more constructive.
It just causes trouble.
My reason for posting this is for all the dooms day people to realize that it just isn't the IRL.Originally posted by rrrr
C'mon, guys. Please (a.) use the B/S forum for stuff like this and (b.) try to be more constructive.
It just causes trouble.
Oh, and by the way this isn't B/S. I don't quite understand your angry tone to this simple little thread when you compare it to so much of what gets posted here. I was just an observation that I though some would appreciate knowing. Heck, maybe someone reading this will buy tickets for a Nextel race at MIS, realize how cool it would be to see the IRL there and then attend the race Aug. 1. I'll be there, will you. How's that for being constructive.
My tone ain't angry. B/S stands for Business/Splitsville....the forum where discussions like this one are sposed to be. Sorry you misunderstood.Originally posted by brickyard1911
My reason for posting this is for all the dooms day people to realize that it just isn't the IRL.
Oh, and by the way this isn't B/S. I don't quite understand your angry tone to this simple little thread when you compare it to so much of what gets posted here. I was just an observation that I though some would appreciate knowing. Heck, maybe someone reading this will buy tickets for a Nextel race at MIS, realize how cool it would be to see the IRL there and then attend the race Aug. 1. I'll be there, will you. How's that for being constructive.
Huh, is this the first time it has become evident to anyone else the duplicity of B/S for this forum? I never made the connection. Was that a coincidence or was someone having fun with the name when they created it?
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Remember how many seats MIS has added over the years. I'm sure they will have a great crowd-if not a sellout by race day.
Part of the reason the IRL crowds look so small at some places is that most tracks built seats when economic times were good and NASCAR was growing every year. Now with an uncertain economy, NASCAR doing everything they can to cater to their newest fans, and in turn alienating some who have been following it for decades, and the fact that they raise the ticket prices every year because they think they can get away with it, even NASCASR has to advertise to sell tickets.
It could actually work to the benefit of the IRL if some of those getting turned of by NASCAR are enough of a race fan to look at Indy Cars with slightly lower prices and better racing.
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"Part of the reason the IRL crowds look so small at some places is that most tracks built seats when economic times were good and NASCAR was growing every year. Now with an uncertain economy..."
Uh, excuse me but the economy is growing pretty darned well right now...
http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/30/news...y/gdp/?cnn=yes
if economy is so great - then why are NASCAR teams having problems finding sponsors howard?Originally posted by hdolan
Uh, excuse me but the economy is growing pretty darned well right now...
http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/30/news...y/gdp/?cnn=yes
"if economy is so great - then why are NASCAR teams having problems finding sponsors howard?"
Probably because some teams in NASCAR continue to spend money like it grows on trees, a habit now being formed in the IRL...not a good thing in my opinion...but, if you question that the economy is robust you are one of a very few...
Really?Originally posted by hdolan
Uh, excuse me but the economy is growing pretty darned well right now...
Then why hasn't the company that I work for, and many others, given raises in the last 3 years? Of course the CEO received a multi-million dollar year bonus each year.
Why are sponsorships so hard to find for championship winning teams like Roush Racing?
I don't buy the line that the economy is doing so great.
I think that it is just election year B/S.
The economy may be growing, but "robust" is a huge stretch.
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According to the link I provided...
U.S. economic growth sizzles
Third-quarter growth of 7.2 percent is strongest in nearly two decades...
Of course, it may just be CNN political year BS...we are all aware of how much they support the current administration...the trouble is not the economy...in NASCAR's case it is greed...in the IRL case they don't have a product that sells...it's really not hard to figure out...
Even with NASCAR's greed, it still overwhelms the IRL with sponsorship cash...even when the economy was in the dumper it still had great sponsorship money...
Seems like you should be asking the CEO this question. If he did in fact get a multi-million dollar bonus and isn't "trickling down" to your level you have three choices as I see it. 1. Scream loudly until someone in the organization or outside the organization acknowledges you and helps. 2. Leave and go somewhere else. 3. Grin and bear it.Originally posted by simracer
Really?
Then why hasn't the company that I work for, and many others, given raises in the last 3 years? Of course the CEO received a multi-million dollar year bonus each year.
Why are sponsorships so hard to find for championship winning teams like Roush Racing?
I don't buy the line that the economy is doing so great.
I think that it is just election year B/S.
Fact is, the economy on the whole is kicking *ss. I don't know what sector you are employed in but you have to look at ecomomic numbers as a whole. Not every industry is feeling the growth. Even some companies in growth industries may not be growing due to various reasons.
maybe where you are hdolan, but in Michigan and the Midwest in general the economy is hardly improving.
I dislike paying 2.18 a gallon for gasoline. That will make the prices for all kinds of things from fruit to airplane seats rise dramatically.
Oddly, I predict my salary will not be raised by a similar percentage, if at all. As a matter of fact, the last raise I got was woefully low. They blamed recession. My sister got her job shipped off to Mexico. She's had to make ends meet by doing things like serving drinks to folks like the guzzling and off key Aunt Flo before the banquet the other night.
No, I'm not any better off than I was 4 years ago. I'm significantly worse off. So is my family.
And yet, we always figure a way to make it to the tracks.
Anecdotal evidence does not override the fact that the economy is doing quite well...the economy is not the prime factor in why NASCAR has had some teams to flounder...the goose can only lay so many eggs in a season...how many cars does a team need and how many square feet of 'shop' space...
Again, the IRL simply han't done anything to warrrant a sponsor spending tons of money either on the series or a team...a fact not lost on the likes of Penske I would bet...ciggies are gone next year...
BTW, sorry about the price of gas, but, it's still chreaper than bottled water...compare it to the cost you spent on booze, cigs and race tickets...priorities...gas, in real terms, is a **** of a lot cheaper today than what cars are compared to 40-50 years ago...
That house you bought for 150,000 five years ago is now worth what...if you are having a hard time, move geographically or job wise...that's one of the great things about America...
I work in fund raising, meeting with people on a regular basis to ask them to support their alma mater w/discretionary funds. The vast majority of people I have met with from Chicago to Elkhart are hesitant about their situation in the best case. There still seems to be some uneasiness about where this is going to go and long-term job security. My sister works for HP and has a quarterly, 2-week period where they work wondering if their division, section, job is next on the chopping block. This even after HP posted Wall Street-eye-popping numbers recently. I was surprised to hear they are in another wait and see period about their jobs.
The economy is improving, jobs are coming back in some sectors and in some regions, but it is far from top to bottom enthusiasm.
Gas prices - funny thing about those is that they may actually be helping government income numbers since, I believe, there is a percentage tax on every gallon; so as the base line cost goes up per gallon the tax collected increases proportionally as well. Not sure if it is related, but Indiana's revenue exceeded projections again in May (also April).
Probably due to the $15mm-$20mm price tag to be a front running team.Originally posted by 220mph
if economy is so great - then why are NASCAR teams having problems finding sponsors howard?
hdolan: Thank you for having the guts to post the truth.
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