That huge whine you hear are TD's neighboors opposing the building of a new Wal-mart Super Center in Greenwood.
Did not realize you guys down there only shopped at Nieman-Marcus.
Heywood
That huge whine you hear are TD's neighboors opposing the building of a new Wal-mart Super Center in Greenwood.
Did not realize you guys down there only shopped at Nieman-Marcus.
Heywood
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Heywood
Originally posted by Heywood
That huge whine you hear are TD's neighboors opposing the building of a new Wal-mart Super Center in Greenwood.
Did not realize you guys down there only shopped at Nieman-Marcus.
Very funny.
Nieman-Marcus would fail here and Wally World would thrive.
But not on a 2-lane road.
State Road 135 south of Smith Valley Road is a joke. It should be five lanes before they consider any further development.
But what do I know?
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Yeah know how Wal-Marts ads are always.
Our Prices our falling!!!!!
How come those Mothers never hit ZERO.
The news reported the zoning board meeting to take upn the issue but the mayor would not change the venue to accomadate more people becasue of the added expense.
They also reported that Wal-Mart would pay up to $900,000.00 for road construction. WHat one days profit to cover 100 yards of road
Heywood
Rumor is that Wal-Mart is going to withdraw their proposal before the Greenwood City Council tonight.
It got voted down big by the Planning Commission - 7 to 1 - a couple months ago and one would suspect the City Council would do the same, which would put a one year delay on any future proposals. They don't want that to happen.
But rumor goes on to say they'll be buying the Orchard Golf Center (two miles up the road), bulldozing it, and building their store there.
Maybe those neighbors will take better to 24/7 loading docks and the traffic nightmares.
****, SR 135 is bad enough.
Look at Wal-Mart (or any big box retailer) this way: sure, they pay a load in taxes - I've seen it estimated by anoher gov't official at $300,000.
However, the local community only gets about 25% of that.
And they don't get the full amount for two years, since a certain percentage of the building must be in place before you can assign the value... and they don't pay until the next year.
So let's suppose it takes about $75,000 a year to support the increased road traffic elsewhere, the additional police, the additional EMT runs, increased capacity on storm sewers, etc. It probably takes more.
That will start the two years before they get any property taxes from Wal-Mart.
So the city is going to pay out $150,000 - before they stop losing money. They remain in that hole until..... when?
There's a reason that the Department of Commerce for the state of Indiana doesn't list "big box retail" as a growth opportunity they're pursuing.
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Go read:Originally posted by Heywood
Yeah know how Wal-Marts ads are always.
Our Prices our falling!!!!!
How come those Mothers never hit ZERO.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html
Excerpt:
Wal-Mart wields its power for just one purpose: to bring the lowest possible prices to its customers. At Wal-Mart, that goal is never reached. The retailer has a clear policy for suppliers: On basic products that don't change, the price Wal-Mart will pay, and will charge shoppers, must drop year after year. But what almost no one outside the world of Wal-Mart and its 21,000 suppliers knows is the high cost of those low prices. Wal-Mart has the power to squeeze profit-killing concessions from vendors. To survive in the face of its pricing demands, makers of everything from bras to bicycles to blue jeans have had to lay off employees and close U.S. plants in favor of outsourcing products from overseas.
Of course, U.S. companies have been moving jobs offshore for decades, long before Wal-Mart was a retailing power. But there is no question that the chain is helping accelerate the loss of American jobs to low-wage countries such as China. Wal-Mart, which in the late 1980s and early 1990s trumpeted its claim to "Buy American," has doubled its imports from China in the past five years alone, buying some $12 billion in merchandise in 2002. That's nearly 10% of all Chinese exports to the United States.
One way to think of Wal-Mart is as a vast pipeline that gives non-U.S. companies direct access to the American market. "One of the things that limits or slows the growth of imports is the cost of establishing connections and networks," says Paul Krugman, the Princeton University economist. "Wal-Mart is so big and so centralized that it can all at once hook Chinese and other suppliers into its digital system. So--wham!--you have a large switch to overseas sourcing in a period quicker than under the old rules of retailing."
Steve Dobbins has been bearing the brunt of that switch. He's president and CEO of Carolina Mills, a 75-year-old North Carolina company that supplies thread, yarn, and textile finishing to apparel makers--half of which supply Wal-Mart. Carolina Mills grew steadily until 2000. But in the past three years, as its customers have gone either overseas or out of business, it has shrunk from 17 factories to 7, and from 2,600 employees to 1,200. Dobbins's customers have begun to face imported clothing sold so cheaply to Wal-Mart that they could not compete even if they paid their workers nothing.
"People ask, 'How can it be bad for things to come into the U.S. cheaply? How can it be bad to have a bargain at Wal-Mart?' Sure, it's held inflation down, and it's great to have bargains," says Dobbins. "But you can't buy anything if you're not employed. We are shopping ourselves out of jobs."
More power to Greenwood. Fight those bas*ards!!!
Originally posted by mnkywrch
But rumor goes on to say they'll be buying the Orchard Golf Center (two miles up the road), bulldozing it, and building their store there.
Not very likely.
That belongs to the Browning family. Old-time southsiders remember the Browning Apple Orchard that used to run all along 135 from County Line Road to Smith Valley Road. The Brownings owned it all and sold it for gobs of money. They don't need anymore.
Besides, the golf shop has a lease for several more years with the Orchard.
Decatur, Indiana is fighting the same fight. Building a Supercenter would mean that at least one grocery store would close and the old "little" Wal-Mart building would be emptied, thus killing the merchants in that plaza.
It's almost comical that the Decatur newspaper runs at least three stories a week about Wal-Mart battles across the country. Today it was about the increasing crime in a small town once a Supercenter was built.
Personally, I can live without 'em.
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They must of gotten the increase crime from the stores in the crime areas. We have a supercenter in Greenfield for over a year and no increase in crime. Actually our new mini van been sitting in their lot for about a week and nothing happen to it yet. We drive it during the day of course but leave it at night. Well except a shopping cart hitting it about 5 to 10 mph on Race Day Night Severe Storms. One shopping cart went flying across the parking lot at around 40mph we think. It was flying pretty fast. We just sat there through the storm as it was pouring like crazy.Originally posted by rev-ed
Decatur, Indiana is fighting the same fight. Building a Supercenter would mean that at least one grocery store would close and the old "little" Wal-Mart building would be emptied, thus killing the merchants in that plaza.
It's almost comical that the Decatur newspaper runs at least three stories a week about Wal-Mart battles across the country. Today it was about the increasing crime in a small town once a Supercenter was built.
Personally, I can live without 'em.
TD, by two lane do you mean two lane each way or one lane each way?
Why get a Supercenter when there's one not 5-10 minutes away on 31?
Just goes to show you what can happen when you come together and put up a fight.
Wal-Mart was turned down in its bid for the property.
Wal-Mart will not fight the desision.
Over 100 people turned up at the meeting last night.
I think TD would agree with the woman I am going to quote here.
"IT TAKES A VILLAGE"
Heywood
Whatever anyone thinks of WalMart, all I know is this: it is insane to commercially develop your town without rebuilding the roads to accomodate that growth first.
I came home a couple of years ago for a friend's wedding. We stayed at the Signature Inn, in Southport. It had sentimental value for me because I helped dig foundation ditches for the Cracker Barrel next door when I was a Manpower temp, in '85.
Since 1985, at least a hundred new businesses have sprung up in that area, large and small. Yet the road that serves them was the same as it was in '85. Two lanes. Packed with traffic. Falling to pieces. And no way to rebuild it without disrupting traffic for miles.
If they want to build that Greenwood Walmart on a road like that, WalMart's fascist business practices aside, no flippin' wonder the neighborhood doesn't want it!
Golf shop just changed names. I suspect for a big enough check from Bentonville they'd move.Originally posted by Truth Detector
That belongs to the Browning family. Old-time southsiders remember the Browning Apple Orchard that used to run all along 135 from County Line Road to Smith Valley Road. The Brownings owned it all and sold it for gobs of money. They don't need anymore.
Besides, the golf shop has a lease for several more years with the Orchard.
You sure the Browning family still owns it? Just heard this weekend that it's now owned by someone else, who probably has those three words every real estate developer probably dreams of: Prime Real Estate.
Problem is that Meridian/SR135 just can't support the same amount of traffic as US31.
Originally posted by mnkywrch
Golf shop just changed names.
Same owner though. He just got tired of the franchise BS.
I suspect for a big enough check from Bentonville they'd move.
Everything's for sale.
You sure the Browning family still owns it? Just heard this weekend that it's now owned by someone else
I'm 100% positive. Mrs. Browning still lives in the house at the stoplight and her daughter still runs the Orchard.
Originally posted by jrandrew00
TD, by two lane do you mean two lane each way or one lane each way?
One lane each way and its a disgrace that they aren't going to widen it until 2008.
Originally posted by Heywood
"IT TAKES A VILLAGE"
You've got three major arteries on the southside - US31, SR135/Meridian, and SR37.
They've got two stores on US31 (Southport-area and Franklin) and are planning a third between the two sites on the east side of Greenwood. Four on US31 in 12 miles or so would be overkill.
They had originally planned to build on SR37 (good move, if you ask me) but bailed on that because of the planned I-69 extension. They could still put the store at Smith Valley & SR37 or County Line & SR37 and no one would complain about the traffic.
That leaves overcrowded SR135 - and Orchard's just about the only prime piece of real estate left to do it - not without buying out hundreds of homeowners, or another retailer.
TD, I hope you're right about them having enough money, but I doubt Wal-Mart would have quit without a plan B. And Orchard makes too much sense as a Plan B - land is already zoned C-2, it's already a part of Greenwood, it's already in a business district, and it's big enough for a Wal-Mart.
That golf course will close sooner rather than later. The land is getting too valuable to be.... a golf course.
As far as the 37 intersections I don't remember County Line or Smith Valley getting exits but I'm not positive.
The Orchard has been getting offers on a routine basis for decades. It is a perfect fit for Wally World and Lord knows they have the jack to get the Brownings' attention.
You've got to put one on County Line as it is the quickest route to the nearest hospital (Comm. South.) It will be a nightmare, but they'll do it - four lanes from SR135 to SR37.Originally posted by Truth Detector
As far as the 37 intersections I don't remember County Line or Smith Valley getting exits but I'm not positive.
I suspect SR144 will get one.
But that means you need one in between.
Fairview would be a nightmare, as would Olive Branch. You can't put interstate traffic on them - and neither go east of SR135.
That leaves Smith Valley as.... the only other option in Johnson County.
Originally posted by mnkywrch
That leaves Smith Valley as.... the only other option in Johnson County.
No doubt it makes sense. I just don't remember seeing it as part of the plan.
"WalMart's fascist business practices aside..."
An objective viewpoint no doubt...
The "first cut" plan I read about had County Line, Smith Valley, and SR144 as the exits in Johnson County.Originally posted by Truth Detector
No doubt it makes sense. I just don't remember seeing it as part of the plan.
I'm sure some campaign contributors and legislators will scramble it some...
Originally posted by Truth Detector
One lane each way and its a disgrace that they aren't going to widen it until 2008.
But by God they can sure as **** get all ga-ga right away over a highway that saves 10 minutes to get to nowhere, I mean Evansville!
Nope, purely subjective, with layered satirical intent.Originally posted by hdolan
"WalMart's fascist business practices aside..."
An objective viewpoint no doubt...
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They're trying to build one of their "Neighborhood Markets" two blocks from my house (38th and Wolff). There were around 1000 people at the meeting where the Wal Mart rep tried to tell us why our neighborhood needed a "neighborhood market" when it already has seven grocery stores within two miles.Originally posted by happyscrappy
protesters won the battle here in one of the Denver 'burbs, and they're fighting another one now. Both within a few miles of my house...
If it's illegal for foreign manufacturers to dump product below cost in order to gain market share and put their competitors out of business, why isn't it illegal for Wal Mart to do the same?
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, jewls, but the increased crime came from the fact that there was no crime on that side of town before the Wal-Mart and all kinds of crime in the Wal-Mart parking lot after it was built. Granted, there's more reason to have crime in a parking lot than an empty field, but still the case is pretty clear.Originally posted by jrandrew00
They must of gotten the increase crime from the stores in the crime areas.
All in all, I can live without Wal-Mart Supercenters, Meijer, Super Targets and all the rest of the big boxes. . . especially when they make a mess of a town.
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