Come on, someone must have these. Where does a guy check to get such information?
DD
Come on, someone must have these. Where does a guy check to get such information?
DD
Not having much luck on the Speed boards??
By the way, haven't seen any for Cleveland and I don't think Toronto would be out before Thursday.
I'm sure they sucked just like every other form of racing in the US that isn't NASCAR, whats the point in specifics?
The ratings for both races will fall somewhere between 4.0 and 0.0000001.
More or less.
How come no one seems to care what the TV ratings for the F1 race at Silverstone were?
Because F1 isn't hanging on by it's fingertips.Originally posted by simracer
The ratings for both races will fall somewhere between 4.0 and 0.0000001.
More or less.
How come no one seems to care what the TV ratings for the F1 race at Silverstone were?
DD
If we knew the European ratings for Silverstone, compared to an IRL, OWRS, or even a Nascar race here, I'm sure we'd all be humbled.Originally posted by downtowndeco
Because F1 isn't hanging on by it's fingertips.
DD
It has been very curious that absolutely no one, anywhere, has posted these numbers.
What source do we normally get the cable ratings from? I am sure they are aout there. Toronto will not be ready until today or tomorrow would be my guess though.
After years of fighting and a split, guess what, we are all IndyCar
October will always be a sad racing month for me. RIP Greg and Dan. You both were great and we miss you.
www.zap2it.com will post cable ratings of the top 20 but there is no chance that the OWRS races will rank high enough to be included.
Last year, Speed provided the numbers for their telecasts but Spike is not doing that so someone on the inside will have to post them, either OWRS themselves or a fan with media connection. Since OWRS hasn't leaked them out, the suspicion is the numbers can't be very good.
Do you really think OWRS leaked the previous .2's or that the IRL or ESPN leaked it's .2's and .4's?
Where is our media insider?
Finally found 'em:
Cleveland 0.3/1 share
Toronto 0.2/0 share
I am surprised these are that high. 0.3 is a huge rating for CART.
Correction:
I am surprised these are that high. 0.3 is a huge rating for Champ Car.
Tara was the name of our cat.
IWART (I won't acknowledge ratings threads)
That makes ChampCar's cable ratings about the same (or better) than the IRL's. So far this season, the IRL has managed a .1 (Motegi) a .4 (Texas) and a .2 (Richmond) on cable.
This is despite the fact that the IRL is on a channel with more households, better channel positions, and a lineup of sports to support it. A casual viewer looking for sports on TV isn't going to seek out SPIKE - they will seek out ESPN/ESPN2.
Makes you wonder what ChampCar could pull in on network TV.
''Makes you wonder what ChampCar could pull in on network TV.''
A 1.0 or less.lots of data to back that up,too.It's not like they have never had network before.
Nothing has changed,both series are forgotten and marginalized.
ChampCar was on CBS a lot last year. I think the ratings were similar to what the IRL got on ABC. I figured you knew that.Originally posted by JoeBob
Makes you wonder what ChampCar could pull in on network TV.
IRL, Champcar and F1 fan
Please excuse JoeBob's alzheimers, he couldnt remember last year.Originally posted by IndyIRLman
ChampCar was on CBS a lot last year. I think the ratings were similar to what the IRL got on ABC. I figured you knew that.
The IRL has never pulled a zero share. Even motegi was above that. Also a rating point is a % point on the number of people that have that channel, so being on Spike wouldnt kill OWRS.Originally posted by JoeBob
That makes ChampCar's cable ratings about the same (or better) than the IRL's. So far this season, the IRL has managed a .1 (Motegi) a .4 (Texas) and a .2 (Richmond) on cable.
This is despite the fact that the IRL is on a channel with more households, better channel positions, and a lineup of sports to support it. A casual viewer looking for sports on TV isn't going to seek out SPIKE - they will seek out ESPN/ESPN2.
Makes you wonder what ChampCar could pull in on network TV.
Last edited by AlJRFAN; 07-15-2004 at 10:25 AM.
Stable Sunday afternoon time slot, a couple of Sat nights and a late Fri night time slot. You do the math.
I did. It comes out being an asset for OWRS advertisers (and fans) and a debit for IRL advertisers (and fans).Originally posted by jmart
Stable Sunday afternoon time slot, a couple of Sat nights and a late Fri night time slot. You do the math.
Originally posted by Rascal
I did. It comes out being an asset for OWRS advertisers (and fans) and a debit for IRL advertisers (and fans).
Sorry,a .2 or .3 is a lead weight around the neck of OWRS,and would be the same for the IRL.
Trying to spin this is fruitless.The ratings are not high enough to justify sponsorship or investment.If something doesn't change,both series are as good as gone,by 2006 at the latest.
What is being missed is,the Spike numbers are barely better than what they got on Speed,and those numbers were one of the primary reasons CART imploded.
Not trying to spin anything, just making an observation that a stable viewing window for any sport makes more sense than the shotgun broadcasting approach used by Tony George's IRL.Originally posted by Richard Kimble
Trying to spin this is fruitless.
The two most successful sports entertaniment businesses right now - NFL and NASCAR - give their fans a product to watch every Sunday (or nearly so in NASCAR's case) for the entire season. To contrast, the IRL offered its fans four races in the first three months. Broadcast on different networks, on different days, in different time slots ranging from noon to midnight on the East Coast.
OWRS and Spike are at least attempting to make it easier for the fans to find the racing on Sunday afternoons. As I said, this is an asset for advertisers and fans alike.
So, when would YOU schedule the IRL/Owrs races, given that NASCAR has monopolized Sunday afternoons (regularly from 12:30 p.m., occaisionally 3:00 p.m.) and Huge Saturday night races @ Bristol, & Daytona etc.
ANY race series trying to compete against NASCAR on any channel and for the second hand racedates at various venues is going to bomb PERIOD on any channel at any given time. They all end up playing second & third fiddle for everything.
EVERY Sunday afternoon that NASCAR does not run, IRL should, straight up at 1:00 ET, without exceptions. When NASCAR runs out west, and thus late, likewise the IRL should run early.Originally posted by damilt
So, when would YOU schedule the IRL/Owrs races?
NASCAR's foolish moves to more night races and more starts on late Sunday afternoons, is leaving a huge hole for the IRL to fill. The IRL should do so.
WHY for example is this week's race at night?
Agreed. But, the leagues schedule & negotiate thier races seperately.
There is NO WAY NASCAR is going to tell the IRL when they are & are not going to race and what times. The IRL moves forward & the NASCAR schedule comes out at a different time.
How on earth would you coordinate such a thing? the France family is not about to help somebody else whittle away at thier fan base.
Don't forget how carefully NASCAR schedules its various series. like trucks and Busch at different times, etc. The IRL tries to dodge it to give itself better opportunities, although this weekend is a perfect Sunday to run for EITHER open wheel series.
CART didn't, and OWRS doesn't. Witness the great Pookster's Cleveland night race, directly against the Pepsi 400 at Daytona with a delayed telecast. Witness Pook scheduling Mid-Ohio opposite Kentucky when Kentucky tried to dodge it and witness where Mid-Ohio is now. Witness Pook rescheduling Elkhart Lake opposite the EAA Fly-In at Oshkosh, the world's largest air show.
And witness last weekend's Toronto race, delayed telecast right smack dab in the middle of Nextel Cup at Chicago, which was going on before and after. So much for the mistakenly ballyhooed weekly time slot.
If CART/OWRS wasn't always fighting everybody, and wasn't always trying to position itself in false grandeur over everyone else, it wouldn't shoot itself in the foot this way.
It's not a question of COMPETING against NASCAR, because if you are racing you are for sure competing against them. It's a matter of stability. Put another way, how have the series' ratings done with the current mish-mash of scheduling that avoids head-to-head conflicts with NASCAR? (See Motegi* and Richmond)Originally posted by damilt
ANY race series trying to compete against NASCAR on any channel and for the second hand racedates at various venues is going to bomb PERIOD on any channel at any given time. They all end up playing second & third fiddle for everything.
The races' air time needs to be known by the viewers - especially potential viewers. The schedule needs to be made more compact for the entire season, the races need to be on the same channel every time, most often in the same time slot on Sunday (or Saturday night - with plenty of hype during the preceding race). Don't forget, weekend viewers are usually creatures of habit. They more often than not will "reserve" time to relax in front of the tube at the same time of the day every week. Once the viewers feel comfortable knowing that the races are on at --:00 every Sunday afternoon the "familiarity" thing with the series and the drivers will grow.
Rascal, that may be true of the NFL which goes every Sunday for 17 Sundays, or what time people get up to watch Sportscenter in the morning or even NASCAR which runs almost every Sunday with a few exceptions. Or if your favorite program is Law and Order.
But a series that races only 16 times total over a long period of time, that continuity is not the same and makes no difference, IMO.
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