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    Have to see this BS to believe it....

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    The National Association for Minority Race Fans (NAMRF) opened its web site to the public Wednesday, as indicated last weekend at Talladega, where the group had intended to protest over what it says is mistreatment of female and minority attendees at NASCAR events.

    Officials from Talladega Speedway, NASCAR, and the Alabama State Police held two news conferences over the weekend to discuss the matter, saying they had contacted the group and had set aside a parking area across the street from the track's entrance for demonstrators. The demonstration, however, failed to materialize. Instead, leaders of the NAMRF held a news conference at the International Motorsports Hall of Fame adjacent to the track.

    The intentions of the group remain unclear, and the Web site does little to clarify the NAMRF's aims. A significant aspect is that the group plans to produce a documentary film (it is compared in a trailer to "Fahrenheit 9/11") for release Feb. 20.

    The Web site also reproduces a letter, said to be from NASCAR counsel in Atlanta, which orders the NAMRF to desist from using any images gathered at NASCAR events. All such images, counsel says, are the property of NASCAR, as specified in policies formulated at the time of the network agreements in 2000.

    The site is replete with images of Confederate flags, burning crosses, and a hooded klansman holding a NASCAR-logo flag. Further clicks offer access to the trailer and to a commercial (apparently not yet aired) that purports to illustrate racist attitudes among NASCAR fans.

    In addition, the site offers addresses of corporations which sponsor NASCAR teams and events and urges boycotts. It also presents links for membership sign-up and for invitation to a class-action lawsuit, which apparently will allege discrimination by NASCAR and its tracks against women and minorities.

    The suit notation on the site reads: "NAMRF will be supporting a series of class action lawsuits that will be filed with the U.S. Federal Court to protect and enforce the rights of minority race fans. If you feel you have been discriminated against by NASCAR or any racetrack employee, then you need to join the movement."

    It was not said in what federal court the suit would be filed, nor was a timetable given. The NAMRF apparently has retained a reputable Dallas law firm, Godwin, Gruber LLC, to handle its legal matters.

    NASCAR has launched or backed several "diversity" initiatives in the past few years in efforts to attract minority competitors and partners. The sport remains overwhelmingly white, in terms of both the racing and the customer base, but it would be hard to say that that is a result of directly discriminatory acts or policies by NASCAR or its tracks.

    The NAMRF initiative appears to have serious and intelligent backing, and hence it must be taken seriously. It is likely to be a thorn in NASCAR's side through the winter and through Speed Weeks in February. As with all matters of such sensitivity, the NAMRF effort must be approached as with a live bomb.

    It's best to look for yourself. The address is www.namrf.com.

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    The entire thing is laughable. Especially the "proof" that NASCAR hacked their website, which is just hillarious. Its nothing but a log showing lots of hits from NASCAR and Daytona computers. Some registered for the forum, and logged in. OMG, THEY ARE H4XING! What a joke!

    Im sure that out of the people who work at the tracks, and the fans themselves, alot of them are racist. And I agree that if any fan was mistreated because of their race, they have every right in the world to sue the track or NASCAR, or whoever stepped on their rights. But this entire thing is complete BS.

    Their video shows nothing but hick fans talking about how much they dont like blacks. Where exactly did NASCAR, or NASCARs sponsors, go wrong? And its INCREADIBLY obvious that they are doing these interviews in places like 'Dega. They sure as hell arent doing them at Chicagoland. Or New Hampshire. Or Sonoma.

    And then they show a huge party in an infield, with booming "ARE WOMEN AND CHILDREN SAFE??" What a joke! Thats like going to Mardi Gras at night and being shocked at what you see... ITS FRIGGEN MARDI GRAS!

    And of course, they try to blame it all on the France family. And they even try to pin it on president bush too. Its friggen ridiculous.

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    Congratulations, NASCAR. You have achieved the mainstream popular success you've always coveted. This website proves it.

    Sad, isn't it?

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    Wonder how deeply one would have to dig to find the "Poverty Pimp", himself, jesse jackson's fingerprints on this BS? This smells of his taticts of extorsion. lying, and general BS!

    NASCAR is just the first victum of this BS, if allowed to stand, they will go after every racing series in the country, so before you ow types gloat so much about them going after NASCAR, just remember, you're in their sights as well, you're next!

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    Kinda OT, but covered by the letter from NASCAR to NAMRF on the website.

    Did you know that the video you took at the last NASCAR race you attended do not belong to you?

    "NASCAR's exclusive rights include ANY video or audio clip that incorporates pictures, images or sounds captured at a NASCAR sanctioned race event or at the venues that host such events, regardless of who captured the video or audio."

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    Originally posted by Lee
    you ow types
    I love that part..
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    "NASCAR's exclusive rights include ANY video or audio clip that incorporates pictures, images or sounds captured at a NASCAR sanctioned race event or at the venues that host such events, regardless of who captured the video or audio."
    Same thing with any baseball games, football games, hockey games, concerts, movies, etc. I think its kinda silly too, but the courts dont seem to think so.

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    And not just NASCAR features drunken revelry (Juggy flashing) like was portrayed in their 'documentary trailer', so now every inch of every piece of real estate in the whole darn country is going to be sterilized by the FCC if this 'bigger-than-Fahrenheit-9/11' documentary makes it to the big screens.

    Cygni, you and I don't see eye to eye on most things, but I agree with you here.

    If their problem is with acts of racism in the public areas of a NASCAR event, then their beef is not with NASCAR itself, but with select 'old fashioned' individuals.

    If their problem is with certain untoward behavior being seen by their kids, then they should leave them home to watch Barney the Dinosaur or Sesame Street. Or at least not go walking through the infield at night.

    If their problem is with NASCAR races being contested week in and week out by 43 white males, then they need to realize that that is because white men make up 99% of NASCAR's talent pool. Is that good? Not entirely. But if a 'minority' driver makes it to the top level of NASCAR, let it be because that driver excelled above his/her peers, not because of favoritism toward minorities.

    However, regardless of our opinions, this has become a major issue. We can all take the joke "White Men Can't Jump" because we acknowledge the fact that not many white men play basketball.

    But if a line like "Black Men Can't Race" becomes commonplace, our sport will be doomed.
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    "They sure as hell arent doing them at Chicagoland. Or New Hampshire. Or Sonoma."

    Some of the real racists in this country live in the Northeast...Boston is notoriously racists as is New Hampshire...heard more than a few racial comments in Chicago all the way down to Indy...never been to Sonoma, but, Fontana is historically has been a hotbed of the Klan, big time...I just love those who stereotype...

    That said, the whole thing is funny...

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    Originally posted by Lee
    NASCAR is just the first victum of this BS, if allowed to stand, they will go after every racing series in the country, so before you ow types gloat so much about them going after NASCAR, just remember, you're in their sights as well, you're next!
    I doubt it - this may be the one time it's good the IRL doesn't get near the attention NASCAR does!

    I agree with you that the whole thing is a bunch of crap to start with BUT it's never ceased to amaze me what some idiots will say when there's a camera on them without stopping to think how it might reflect on the group as a whole.

    Also, to a previous poster, just because some of the idiots are obviously Southern, don't get too far up on your high horse and think it doesn't happen in New York...or Ohio....or Indiana...or anywhere else.

    True stupidity knows no state lines.
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    This crew is a front for a group of trial lawyers. They are trying to cook up a lawsuit on "behalf" of all "minority" race fans. It really has nothing to do with the 100% white NASCAR participants, but with the 97% white NASCAR live gate. It will be alleged that this is because its a "hostile environment" and all that BS. Black folks are just afraid to go to the races.

    Like any corporation, NASCAR will settle, which will be funding a few "outreach programs" run by the trial lawyer's friends, a huge fee to the trial lawyers and nothing point nothing to the actual ordinary black people.

    Personally, I have attended NASCAR, and most other major sanctioning body's events, and have never seen anything anybody could object to, other than the CSA flag, which is something that reasonable people can have different opinions on.

    This is the kind go thing that our wonderful president talks about when he says "we have to get rid of the junk lawsuits."

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    I have been offended by trial lawyers running up the cost of insurance - can I sue?
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