"I think Indianapolis, and Indy-car racing, is missing some American flavor. I'm not opposed to foreign manufacturers and competitors, but it rubs me the wrong way that America's premier series has to look overseas for talent because they have a fat checkbook.
"Maybe I'm too idealistic that guys can still earn their way to Indy on their talent. Jeff Gordon went to NASCAR without any money, and you can't do that here anymore."
Did TG really say the above...
From another thread:
Commentary by Robin Miller
Indianapolis Star/News
INDIANAPOLIS (May 14, 1995)
I think so. It was a quote from an interview, wasn't it, not a letter or PR statement?Originally posted by hdolan
"I think Indianapolis, and Indy-car racing, is missing some American flavor. I'm not opposed to foreign manufacturers and competitors, but it rubs me the wrong way that America's premier series has to look overseas for talent because they have a fat checkbook.
"Maybe I'm too idealistic that guys can still earn their way to Indy on their talent. Jeff Gordon went to NASCAR without any money, and you can't do that here anymore."
Did TG really say the above...
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Pretty quiet on this...
What else is there to say. If he said it, he said it. Case closed.Originally posted by hdolan
Pretty quiet on this...
- Make a note of the word 'Gobbly-gook'. I like it and I want to use it more often in conversation.
--Yes, sir.
"What else is there to say. If he said it, he said it. Case closed."
So, what happened...
Macroevolution? Speciation?Originally posted by hdolan
"What else is there to say. If he said it, he said it. Case closed."
So, what happened...
Picking fights again?Originally posted by hdolan
"What else is there to say. If he said it, he said it. Case closed."
So, what happened...
He kani 'ano 'e loa kela. Ua 'ai nui anei 'oe ma ke kakahiaka?
Looks to me like he has 2 Americans on his team. I don't believe EC or JD brought any money with them.
What's your point?
Dude. Don't make us pull out the Chris Pook quotebook...Originally posted by hdolan
"What else is there to say. If he said it, he said it. Case closed."
So, what happened...
Tony Johns
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It looks like the same guys who were doing the driver hiring then, that caused him to utter the statement, are in charge again.
With his blessings this time.
Either the 95 Indy500 Program or the formal 1996 IRL release press confrence.Originally posted by Turn13
I think so. It was a quote from an interview, wasn't it, not a letter or PR statement?
ever heard of "lead by example"?Originally posted by hdolan
"What else is there to say. If he said it, he said it. Case closed."
So, what happened...
Tony tells the owners what kind of cars to run but he doesn't tell them who to hire........nothing wrong with that..........then he starts a team with TWO American short trackers.......MAYBE others will follow......
BTW: When the top two INDYCar teams in 2004 (Penske & Ganassi) needed new drivers, BOTH hired Americans.............
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Hey, HoDo, it's called "putting your money where your mouth is". Do you have a problem with that?
I came, I lurked, I posted.
It's not a perfect situation.
However, how much different is it from the France family owning the majority of tracks NASCAR runs on and dictating what track gets how many races?Who's got the most unbalanced control of thier series - The league owner owning a team in his league and putting two up & comers in the seats, or the guys who are running thier competitor's tracks out of business and ending up controlling the whole series?
That's pretty darned incestuous now insn't it?
Originally posted by numrounofan
ever heard of "lead by example"?
Tony tells the owners what kind of cars to run but he doesn't tell them who to hire........nothing wrong with that..........then he starts a team with TWO American short trackers.......MAYBE others will follow......
BTW: When the top two INDYCar teams in 2004 (Penske & Ganassi) needed new drivers, BOTH hired Americans.............
Could he have done that about 10 years ago before open wheel racing tanked into oblivion?
Why would he start a team run under an organization that he didn't trust?Originally posted by Indyknut
Could he have done that about 10 years ago before open wheel racing tanked into oblivion?
"You have not converted a man because you have silenced him."
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Whom are they running out of business?? Seems like Bruton Smith (SMI), the Bahres, the Mattiolis, The Hulmans, and Dover Downs are doing quite well.Originally posted by damilt
or the guys who are running thier competitor's tracks out of business and ending up controlling the whole series?
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as well as isc?Originally posted by Lee Roy
Whom are they running out of business?? Seems like Bruton Smith (SMI), the Bahres, the Mattiolis, The Hulmans, and Dover Downs are doing quite well.
Popularity declined under the Boycott (in spite of the early IRL fields' composite), and has yet to recover enough.Originally posted by hdolan
"What else is there to say. If he said it, he said it. Case closed."
So, what happened...
What would that have changed, besides dragging the Indy 500 to the same place that Elkhart Lake, Mid-Ohio, Laguna Seca, Gateway, Chicago, Nazareth, Detroit, Houston, The SuperPrix, and CART at TMS occupy in the motorsports landscape?Originally posted by Indyknut
Could he have done that about 10 years ago before open wheel racing tanked into oblivion?
I guess it would probably mean that Tony Stewart, Sam Hornish, and Buddy Rice probably wouldn't have raced in the series competitively. That would be one likely change, but I don't know if that's necessarily for the better.
It may or may not have avoided the Boycott. I doubt it would have molified the animosity between IMS and CART. It didn't do it for Foyt.
Originally posted by Turn13
What would that have changed, besides dragging the Indy 500 to the same place that Elkhart Lake, Mid-Ohio, Laguna Seca, Gateway, Chicago, Nazareth, Detroit, Houston, The SuperPrix, and CART at TMS occupy in the motorsports landscape?
I guess it would probably mean that Tony Stewart, Sam Hornish, and Buddy Rice probably wouldn't have raced in the series competitively. That would be one likely change, but I don't know if that's necessarily for the better.
It may or may not have avoided the Boycott. I doubt it would have molified the animosity between IMS and CART. It didn't do it for Foyt.
Nailed it
boycott
"It looks like the same guys who were doing the driver hiring then, that caused him to utter the statement, are in charge again.
With his blessings this time."
Looks like...
Bob - why do you roll your eyes? It WAS a boycott. They were welcome to come but chose not to.
Originally posted by Indyknut
It looks like the same guys who were doing the driver hiring then, that caused him to utter the statement, are in charge again.
With his blessings this time.
Those same guys don't run the series this time.....he does.
Those same guys must have learned their lesson...Rahal has two young Americans....Penske saved the most popular one from leaving to NASCAR. And Chip hired one a year and half ago and tried to hire another hot shoe American this year. Andretti doesn't count...he wasn't a team owner back in CART.
Would you suggest banning them? I happen to like watching the best, most winning teams...Originally posted by hdolan
"It looks like the same guys who were doing the driver hiring then, that caused him to utter the statement, are in charge again.
With his blessings this time."
Looks like...
As mentioned earlier, Ganassi, Penske, Rahal and even Andretti have all hired U.S. drivers. What's your complaint now?
Originally posted by Vogler fan
Those same guys don't run the series this time.....he does.
Those same guys must have learned their lesson...Rahal has two young Americans....Penske saved the most popular one from leaving to NASCAR. And Chip hired one a year and half ago and tried to hire another hot shoe American this year. Andretti doesn't count...he wasn't a team owner back in CART.
...not sure if this is staying with the topic but didn't the individual in question for making these statements some 12 years ago just start his own team in both IRL Series and hire 2 American drivers?!
My first Indy 500 was 1973, haven't missed one since 1981. To date I have attended 35 Indy 500's, and probably 100 or so other IndyCar races (CART & IRL).
can't place all the blame solely on the so-called boycott....it did not happen in a vacuum.......it is not a chicken/egg issue.....it was a direct response to the 25/8 ruleOriginally posted by damilt
Bob - why do you roll your eyes? It WAS a boycott. They were welcome to come but chose not to.
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