There's one. Please post the second, third and fourth instances.
There's one. Please post the second, third and fourth instances.
Heck, Brickman, that was just a humorous comment, in response to a reporter's leading comment about "is this another nail in your competition's coffin?", to which the response was "I bring my hammer to work every day... I mean, for building our series."
There was nothing derogatory there, inferior, insulting, envious, vulgar, or jealously offered as there are in the comments MichaelG quoted.
It shows a heckuva lot more cleverness and class than the "p i s s on their brains" or injury racing league" comments, and so far removed from "f o r m u l a n e c k s n a p", "c r a p w a g o n", and "one helicopter crash away from unification" that it reveals, I think, the desperate, petty, sophomoric and just generally scummy urges those guys are obsessed with
Not to be confused with all OWRS fans, by any means.
Ya think KK sees hammers in his sleep?
JMO. YMMV.
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Brian's Wish
You're right. SorryOriginally posted by JBaiza
It'll never get better, if you don't stop picking it.
What good comes of bringing up this old bitterness?
Let CCWS do their thing.
Let it go, get on with your lives. Just because someone has the last word doesn't mean it's correct. See my sig line.That's it for me.
I was a former CART fan. I stuck with them right up to Pook's "deadwood" comments. I posted what I thought about that then.
It just wasn't worth it after that. It's really not now, either
Here's what I believe:
1. Those who think the IRL's product is their problem are either blind or in deep denial.
2. My problem with IRL critics is not the nonsense upon which we can always count on them spewing, but the lack of originality. We heard their view of the 'problem' loud and clear ten years ago. We got it. Fine. Move on.
For people who say they dislike the IRL, they certainly spend a lot of time talking about it, either here, in print, or on web sites devoted to it, good and bad.
The IRL must be doing something right.
Those who think the IRL's product is their problem are either blind or in deep denial.
I'm neither, care to debate your statement?
"Living well is the best revenge"
George Herbert
Beauty, of course, is in the eye of the beholder. Me? I've enjoyed every single IRL race I've ever attended. The closest ABC/ESPN has ever come to conveying the excitement was Homestead's all in-car on ESPN2. Other than that, it looks boring on the tube. I used to like to sit up high with my scanner and watch the strategy, but lately at the smaller new tracks, it's more fun to sit right next to the fence.
Some of the most fascinating people in the sport are in the IRL, and the product contains lots of high speed racing, dicing and great stories. It's a shame they rarely get told.
Some people like 'concrete canyons.' Some people like natural terrain road courses. Some people like ovals. Me? I like natural terrain road courses and ovals the most.
The product speaks for itself. It would be nice if/when somebody told the story without couching a 'split' related subtext for once.
Generally a harmless remark because about the only thing Tony ever hit was his own thumb.Originally posted by Brickman
"I bring my hammer to work every day"
Quite a sharp contrast to the Merry Christmas Death jingles posted at Off Kilter.
"Is that my *** that I smell burning?" ... Helmet Stogie from "Death spasms of the Mabuchi"
Those who know Tony know that 'I bring my hammer to work every day' refers to the building of the IRL. C^RT is and always has been irrelevant in the big picture in Tony's mind. There's nothing even remotely close to urinating on brains or helicopter crashes or injury racing leagues there.
in the big picture in Tony's mind.
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It did? Where?Originally posted by Turn13
Scheckter is agressive and controversial, too, and his talent took him a lot closer to the pinnacle of road racing than PT's did.
Gee wiz, last time I checked ChampCar was a COMPETITOR to the IRL. They say a few goofy things about a competitor and folks around here get their shorts in a wad like any of it really mattered. Heck, back when folks in the public used to care, it was Mikey, Rahal and the Greens doing the serious bashing. SO please, anything done by the three amigos is basically harmless, because as a I said earlier, the real damage was done by a bunch of guys that are the supposed backbone of the IRL today.
Originally posted by Brickman
"I bring my hammer to work every day"
Incomplete and factually incorrect quote,taken out of context and constantly held forth as some sort of vindiction on the part of TG.
You will have to try much harder,since I don't think TG has actually said anything remotely venomous in all these years.
As a result,I stand firmly behind him.
...the spice must flow.....
Whats' wrong with the product...too much passing?too much dicing?finishes too close?grid too competitive?Originally posted by Kurt Cobain
I'm with Railbird.
ooo...there's that memory thing again...Originally posted by AdamM
Heck, back when folks in the public used to care, it was Mikey, Rahal and the Greens doing the serious bashing. SO please, anything done by the three amigos is basically harmless, because as a I said earlier, the real damage was done by a bunch of guys that are the supposed backbone of the IRL today.
"It was actually fun, because you're back fully driving again in these trucks. Ninety percent of the tracks we go to in the IRL, you're flat-out. I was having to lift off the corners some here." - Buddy Rice
Whats' wrong with the product
Repetitious no-lift momentum drone fests.
The more you see of them the less there is to see.
That's how the product appears to me and judging from the dwindling ratings I'm not the only one.
No, Indyknut, read the post again. The difference in approaches to the competition is what took place. It also caused CART some disadvantages. They went to Texas marketing themselves as being faster than the IRL. At 10 o'clock on race morning, nobody cared. The REAL cars and the REAL stars crashed on the start at the U.S. 500 in '96. And the bashes, such as have already been stated on the board, that have been prevalent. Saying they're better has been a bunch of nonsense in the manner in which they've done it.
And Coke can keep trying to convince me all they want about how much better than Pepsi they are but it won't do any good, I prefer Pepsi.Originally posted by indycool
No, Indyknut, read the post again. The difference in approaches to the competition is what took place. It also caused CART some disadvantages. They went to Texas marketing themselves as being faster than the IRL. At 10 o'clock on race morning, nobody cared. The REAL cars and the REAL stars crashed on the start at the U.S. 500 in '96. And the bashes, such as have already been stated on the board, that have been prevalent. Saying they're better has been a bunch of nonsense in the manner in which they've done it.
Marketing 101 IC, it's up to the IRL to produce the product that the people want so they'll ignore the Cart/CCWS ads.
They haven't.
I wonder if we can get Paul N to commision a count using college kids?Originally posted by Richard Kimble
...The part about the ''millions of people'' is junk too.The entire sport of American OW doesn't have a million fans,not even close.
...Always follow the money
Plate racing is the closest racing in NASCAR, in fact, its alot like IRL on superspeedways. Both use underpowered and overdownforced cars. No-lift racing. I dont like it, I'd say NASCAR fans are split 50-50 on whether they like it or not, id say OW fans are split the same way. I dont particularly think IRL on speedways is all that good, it is considerably better than the crapola CCWS tries to pass off as racing on those rinky dink street courses, but it still isnt that good.Originally posted by Railbird
Whats' wrong with the product
Repetitious no-lift momentum drone fests.
The more you see of them the less there is to see.
That's how the product appears to me and judging from the dwindling ratings I'm not the only one.
IMO, IRL is like plate racing with half the cars, therefore its only half as good.
I agree with Railbird - Phoenix was a "foot to the floor, dronefest".
I expect St Pete, Indy, Richmond, Pikes Peak, Milwaukee, Watkins Glen, and Infineon to be the same.
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Watkins Glen and Infineon "foot to the floor?" You've got to be kidding.
I think he is, IC...
Read it again.....see that now.....
Meanwhile, back on the topic ...
If you're one of the unfortunate few who only gets to try and watch ABC or ESPN other than the Homestead race on ESPN2, I might agree about the drone fests. Fortunately, I get to attend a lot of races every year, and I'm never disappointed. Ever. I believe the challenge for the league and the broadcast partners is twofold:Originally posted by Railbird
Repetitious no-lift momentum drone fests. The more you see of them the less there is to see. That's how the product appears to me and judging from the dwindling ratings I'm not the only one.
1. Figure out a way to convey the edge-of-seat excitement present most of those with all functioning senses and no denial have while attending.
2. Promote the events in a realistic, professional way on and off the air.
If there are STILL those who simply dismiss the 'product' (but never waste an opportunity to talk about it) I would be curious as to what, exactly, would make the product more palatable to the tastes of those who say it's not right.
If you're one of the unfortunate few who only gets to try and watch ABC or ESPN
Indy
Texas (1)
Atlanta (3)
Gateway (2)
Sparta (3)
Chicagoland(3)
Michigan (2)
Nashville(1)
My opinion is based on both TV viewing and attendance.
IRL cars are foot-on-the-floor at Gateway, Kentucky and Nashville?
Or Pikes Peak? As I said, watching the race on television gives a completely different impression than what you get at the track.
What makes a 'good' race, then?
[B]Originally posted by Railbird[B]
Repetitious no-lift momentum drone fests.
The more you see of them the less there is to see.
That's how the product appears to me and judging from the dwindling ratings I'm not the only one.
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Originally posted by Railbird
If you're one of the unfortunate few who only gets to try and watch ABC or ESPN
Indy
Texas (1)
Atlanta (3)
Gateway (2)
Sparta (3)
Chicagoland(3)
Michigan (2)
Nashville(1)
My opinion is based on both TV viewing and attendance.
I am not trying to be confrontational but I am curious as to why you went to so many of the races if you don't like the product? Also, I can't imagine Gateway and Nashville being "no-lift momentum drone fests". If you don't like pedal to the floor racing you should go to the IRL race at The Mile.
IRL, Champcar and F1 fan
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