good for him
Not sure why this was moved. IRL chasis manufacturer is manufacturing ChampCar's 2007 Chasis. Per IRL rules, this is not allowable meaning Panoz gone from IRL in 2007. Weird and totally unexpected....
I don't like it.
I don't believe this is a published rule, likely would have been a 'restraint of trade' issue if actually committed to paper. It was an 'understanding', but I don't think the IRL would try to enforce it at this point, there are bigger problems to deal with.Per IRL rules, this is not allowable meaning Panoz gone from IRL in 2007.
On the other hand, perhaps one more slight move to reconciliation.
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Yaaa ... it's a silly rule, and one which, IMO, the IRL will delete by 2007. I'm very surprised that Panoz got the order, but it shows the business sense of Gerry and Kevin. They have committed themselves to cost containment and ROI, and, they've also strengthened their relationship with Panoz as well.Originally Posted by Jakester
I just hope they come up with something much better than the IRL design. As the late Railbird once stated, "... if they were any uglier, they'd have to start passing out barf bags at the races."
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One engine, one chassis.
Still a spec series?
I recall that being a bad thing just a few short years ago.
Not a bad looking car at all. On-board starters.
The pictures look awesome, the specs as explained in the press release look even better.
Home run.
(sigh of relief ...) AAAAhhhhh ... that does not look like anything Panoz currently makes.
Cool car. It definitely updates the look of Champcars.
Question: Any reason why the front nose under-mounts could not be made more aesthetically pleasing ?? These tend to look a bit like the A1GP car's front nose. Do they have to look like a moustache protruding out from the nose-wing?
I know the current Lolas have two short stems hanging straight down. Maybe this provides more strength.
On board starters are a neat idea. It should certainly improve the competitveness of the series. I've always hated that a guy could lose power someplace and not be able to get going again. This might make road racing a lot more interesting.
...Always follow the money
Rev-ed covers this in the other thread. Panoz can build chassis for any series it wants, as long it doesn't sell the IRL's chassis to another series.
This is not the IRL's chassis. No airbox, and the dimensions of the car are different.
"I didn't hear a single comment about airboxes, "carbashians", or how terrible the car looked. I did see dozens and dozens of little kids in awe of the speed and how cool the cars looked. We should learn from our children."
--Danny Noonan
Panoz already sells one of the Daytona Prototype chassis from what I'm told.(Lexus)
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Wrong....Daytona Prototype Constructors ListPanoz already sells one of the Daytona Prototype chassis from what I'm told.(Lexus)
Chase
Crawford
Doran
Fabcar
Multimatic
Picchio
Riley
You can fit any approved motor to any of these chassis. Engines are not stressed chassis members.
No upper air intake, where is the air intake?
Not a bad looking car at all. On-board starters.
The rear wing and front wing are going to offer far more downforce, and the lower boards comming out past the sidepods offer more aero grip.
Next question... Why? They don't want passing?
Same place it is now.No upper air intake, where is the air intake?
I noted the pop-off valve cutout on the top of the engine cowl is gone.
I believe the IRL rules prevent the IRL chassis from being used by other racing organizations. The rules do not prevent Panoz or Dallara from selling a different design to champcar or anyone else.
This would be a change in stance from the days when Lola 'chose to withdraw' their IRL chassis approval request.
Well, since CART and now the IRL are seeing how bad it is to have manufacturers involved driving up costs then I see this as a good thing now. What do you think?
I suggest you read up on things a bit. You got it all wrong. The tunnels and undertray in the new design will produce a higher percentage of the total downforce than the current Lola produces. This car has less downforce produced by the wings than the current Lola and will disturb the air much less. That will help with passing.
Last edited by JSR; 10-11-2005 at 09:20 PM.
Nice looking car.
agreed
This is good news.
Two things. Kinda makes the IRL press release yesterday pretty lame. Secondly may explain another possibility of the sighted Target transporter at champcar headquarters last week.
why would this car change anything regarding unification?
This car is built for the ford turbo.
The IRL is still using NA engines and that pretty much eliminates any chance that the cars could be used in either series.
Last edited by JSR; 10-11-2005 at 09:23 PM.
Both engines are stressed members. Remember Lola/Reynard had to make chassis that would work with Toyota, Honda, Mercedes/Chevy/Illmor that were not common bolt patterns. Current IRL engines have standardized bolt patterns.
Depending on engine package size, it's not necessarily a major problem to adapt the chassis for either engine.
Care to expound on that?
I know it's just me...
...but I've never liked that F-1 nose in the air look.
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But it was so pervasive that even their cars took on that appearance.
Not saying it would, but it could. So far, the car is just some drawings. Honda has a 2.65 liter turbo of about the same vintage as the Cossie, while the IRL's engine options for '07 are looking limited.
Let Ford and Honda hash out a deal to supply both series' without team subsidies (hard to solve), or 'special' engines (easy to solve), or added expense to the teams (moderately hard to solve).
If it could be done, it would be a win-win.
Sure, I'm a long-time Lola fan. Love their history and I had the chance to meet Mr. (Eric) Broadley. Very nice guy, but according to a lot of people who know him, quite eccentric.
Ask him why he named the car Lola and he breaks into a broad smile...but he won't expound on that either.
I've got nothing against Panoz mind you, I just hate it that one manufacturer is supplying Champ Car. I wish Reynard would somehow come back and heck for that matter March, Eagle, Swift and Wildcat.
But it'll never happen.
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