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    Updates on Hornish/Penske:

    From Jayski...

    http://www.jayski.com/teams/77.htm

    Penske sticking with Hornish:
    #06-Sam Hornish Jr. has failed in his first three attempts to qualify for a Nextel Cup event, but Penske Racing will continue to place Hornish on the entry list for upcoming Cup races. "We're going to stay on our plan to try to qualify Sam in as many races as we can for the rest of the season," said Walt Czarnecki, vice chairman of Penske Racing.
    "Nothing has changed. We'll go again at Charlotte next week." Czarnecki, who also is the listed owner of the #06 Dodge that Hornish is driving, said they already have a primary sponsor [rumored to be Mobil 1] lined up for the third team car next season.
    Would they still consider Hornish moving full time to Cup in 2008 if he doesn't qualify for any races this year? "I think that's a possibility," Czarnecki said. "The disappointment he has, and we all have, is he was 20th quick at New Hampshire. We told him not to drive it too hard and he missed the show by a fraction.
    At Dover, he had one hour of track time, then misses the show by four one-hundredths of a second. Circumstances haven't worked in his favor." NASCAR's qualifying system works against a driver trying to break into Cup with a new car. Czarnecki realizes Hornish is in a difficult position when only eight spots are available each week in the 43-car field.
    Hornish was 13th in qualifying Saturday at Talladega, but five positions too low to make the race. The top 35 cars in owner's points have a guaranteed spot in the field. "It is frustrating, but I also understand NASCAR's rationale for going to the top-35 rule," Czarnecki said. "It's an economic reality of the sport that precipitated that decision." With six races left this season, Czarnecki is confident Hornish will qualify for some of those events.(ESPN.com)(10-8-2007)

    But..Hornish undecided: Sam Hornish Jr. said he is going to wait until after the season before sitting down with his team, sponsors and owner Roger Penske to decide where he'll be racing next year.
    Hornish failed to qualify at Talladega, his third miss in as many tries to make his Nextel Cup debut. He is committed to Car of Tomorrow races Oct. 21 at Martinsville, Va., and Nov. 11 at Phoenix, in addition to some Busch Series events.
    Unlike fellow Indianapolis 500 winner Dario Franchitti, who as a rookie next year will inherit a car that is in the top 35 of the standings and thus assured of being in the first five races, Hornish would have to qualify week to week. "We have to get to the point where we feel comfortable we can get into these races," he said.
    "What if I go to Daytona (for the 2008 opener in February) and don't make the race? Then we're behind all the way." Hornish is not averse to spending another year in the IndyCar Series. "Whatever the team decides, I'm OK with that," he said.(Indianapolis Star)(10-8-2007)

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    What it might be, if he does not qualify to race in the Daytona 500, he would most likely stay in the IRL. Or, maybe after the first 5 races to see if he is anywhere near the top 35.

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    If Penske really intends to go through with this Hornish-to-Cup thing, he needs to put Sam in either the 2 or 12 for next year, so he'll be in the top 35 to start the year. Newman is good enough to qualify on his own, and so is Busch.

    Of course, even the top-35 designation can be lost after 5 races...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racewriter
    If Penske really intends to go through with this Hornish-to-Cup thing, he needs to put Sam in either the 2 or 12 for next year, so he'll be in the top 35 to start the year. Newman is good enough to qualify on his own, and so is Busch.

    Of course, even the top-35 designation can be lost after 5 races...
    I can't imagine telling one of your experienced drivers that you are taking away his get out of jail free card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in LA
    I can't imagine telling one of your experienced drivers that you are taking away his get out of jail free card.
    Personally, I can't either, and neither one of those guys deserves that treatment. But from Penske's POV, it might be more beneficial than watching Hornish DNQ for more than half the races like Allmendinger has done.

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    At least Busch has a past champion provisional at his disposal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racewriter
    it might be more beneficial than watching Hornish DNQ for more than half the races like Allmendinger has done.

    And to think AJ made as much if not more than MOST of the ICS, CCWS drivers this year. That is sad. Good on AJ though.
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    Newman would look good back in the 02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racewriter
    If Penske really intends to go through with this Hornish-to-Cup thing, he needs to put Sam in either the 2 or 12 for next year, so he'll be in the top 35 to start the year. Newman is good enough to qualify on his own, and so is Busch.

    Of course, even the top-35 designation can be lost after 5 races...
    No, I think what he needs to do is keep Sam in IRL full-time in 2008, meanwhile run him full-time (or as full-time as possible) in the Trucks Series to get him much-needed stock car experience. Then re-evaluate for 2009.

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    I'm with DoctorIndy on this.

    Bad thing is that that REALLY screws up the path that Penske hired Billy Wease & put him on.
    Hornish has already screwed it up enough, I doubt he could put up with another year of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logjammer
    Good on AJ though.
    plus he gets most weekends off.......

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    With all of this NASCAR speculation and trying to qualify for a few races this year in anticipation of a full season next year, Sam and his wife are expecting their first child.

    Guess when it is due: FEBRUARY!

    As if Daytona wouldn't be stressful enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racewriter
    If Penske really intends to go through with this Hornish-to-Cup thing, he needs to put Sam in either the 2 or 12 for next year, so he'll be in the top 35 to start the year.
    And that's one key difference between Dario and Sam making the jump - Dario replaces a locked-in Stremme and won't have to worry about this issue.

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    Still standing by my opinion that Hornish is an idiot if he goes to nascar full time. Sorry, but IMHO he's no Tony Stewart and will never be more than a mid-packer in cup - whereas he can run consistantly for wins and championships in the IRL.
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    Pay special attention to what Walt Czarnecki says in the initial posted quote. You can guarantee that if Walter is saying it, it came directly from the Captain's mouth. Those two are never out of step with each other, and Walter knows and espouses the corporate line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brickyard1911
    Guess when it is due: FEBRUARY!
    Hey Jeff Gordon's doing the diaper commercial now, Sammy can get some of that action too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debdrake
    Still standing by my opinion that Hornish is an idiot if he goes to nascar full time. Sorry, but IMHO he's no Tony Stewart and will never be more than a mid-packer in cup - whereas he can run consistantly for wins and championships in the IRL.
    And - SADLY I must add - will make at least 10x more money doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoparsRule
    And - SADLY I must add - will make at least 10x more money doing so.
    And for Sam, will probably be 100X more miserable.

    Do you wanna be Rick Mears or do you wanna be AJ Allmendinger? And believe me, if he goes Cup full-time next year, he will be AJ Allmendinger.....at best.
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    At this point in time, I truly don't know.

    I dreamt of being Rick Mears as a kid, my first Indy500 was 1979 - I got his autograph & he won!!!

    But then, Rick competed in what was the ultimate motorsport in America - against the VERY best in the business.

    And probably made more money doing so than his nascar counterparts were making.

    But those things have changed, and as much as it pains me to say - I'm not sure sticking in IndyCar now could ever lead to anyone - even Sam - being "Rick Mears".

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    I think the Captain is just making his money work and see if he can use Sam in other forms of motorsport in the off-season. He'll qualify out the rest of this year in stock cars, run the 24 hours, and attempt Daytona.

    Then he will run a full ICS sked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkDonohueFan
    I think the Captain is just making his money work
    Good point
    look how much pub they have gotten between Helio in DWTS and Sammy in the Nascar quest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkDonohueFan
    He'll qualify out the rest of this year in stock cars, run the 24 hours, and attempt Daytona.

    Then he will run a full ICS sked.
    Sounds fun!

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    I am getting the idea that maybe Sam is just doing this to please Penske and when the time comes he is going to say "I tried it and I would rather be in an Indycar."

    I just don't get the feeling the Sam is the one behind the potential move. Rather I think Roger would like to get his "ovalmister" into the all oval series (95% oval anyway).

    Anyone else get the feeling Sam is just going through the motions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silva33
    Anyone else get the feeling Sam is just going through the motions?
    Do we even have any direct quotes from Sam saying "I want to be in NASCAR." ?

    Which is different from him saying "I think running NASCAR might be interesting" or "NASCAR is something to consider."

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    Im going to say it again. I think Sam ought to start the year in Cup, run the Indycar Schedule and then finish the year in Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorindy
    Do we even have any direct quotes from Sam saying "I want to be in NASCAR." ?

    Which is different from him saying "I think running NASCAR might be interesting" or "NASCAR is something to consider."
    The thing we do hear from Hornish is that the "team" will make the decision.
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    Why is it if a guy goes to Nascar and drives for a mid pack team and doesn't win, he has no talent? Show me one Nascar driver who could drive any car besides a Penske, Target or AGR car and get a win in the IRL? No one could. The same applies for the Cup teams, if you are not on the top teams you are a backmarker. This series doesn't have any more talented drivers than the IRL does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meirafan
    This series doesn't have any more talented drivers than the IRL does.
    Sure, it doesn't.

    Not only do they have 30 more cars at every race, the depth of talent is pretty darned good. Guys like Mike Bliss (who would blow the doors off most of the current IRL "stars" if he ever got a shot in a good Indy Car on a oval) have trouble just making races. Its tough down there.

    Which Sam, Paul Tracy, Chris Fittipaldi, Allmendinger, Robby Gordon and Scott Pruett have found out about over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meirafan
    This series doesn't have any more talented drivers than the IRL does.
    That could change if the top IRL drivers keep moving there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcurts
    That could change if the top IRL drivers keep moving there.
    That was the number one thing I kept hearing from people today and tonight. People in Charlotte like fans and people looking into getting into racing or getting a connection here said it so much that I'm about sick of it. But I know I will hear it at least once more before I'm back in Indy on Monday.
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